one more odometer roll-back question

[dirtdogger17]

this weekend i did the gauge swap and ditched my idiot lights..i have a 95 so its not a cable driven unit, its electric so 90 pioneer's write up didnt apply to my year (swapping in a '92's gauges)..i thought id be courageous and try taking the bad boy apart and rolling back the odometer..after taking it all apart, speedo needle and all..PITA!..i finally rolled it back to where i was at on my idiot light panel..(after its all apart its just a gear driven unit)..i used stuff from my old erector set, dc motor and a big gear haha..it worked!... but i put everything back together and the digits are drooping like an old school odometer..for instance, i rolled it back to 112,xxx, but it reads "011,xxx"..everything works fine, trip meter etc..the odometer does too, but you really hafta figure it out when trying to read it..like the revolving numbers arent being held up somehow?..if anyone has ever done this before, there are plastic pieces between each digit, one is notched, one isnt..my question is..is it possible i just put it in the wrong way if its acting like this?..i know its vague and picture-less, but i dont have a camera handy

..ANY input helps..thanks much
p.s. im trying to be semi-legal about this haha

 

[langer1]

this weekend i did the gauge swap and ditched my idiot lights..i have a 95 so its not a cable driven unit, its electric so 90 pioneer's write up didnt apply to my year (swapping in a '92's gauges)..i thought id be courageous and try taking the bad boy apart and rolling back the odometer..after taking it all apart, speedo needle and all..PITA!..i finally rolled it back to where i was at on my idiot light panel..(after its all apart its just a gear driven unit)..i used stuff from my old erector set, dc motor and a big gear haha..it worked!... but i put everything back together and the digits are drooping like an old school odometer..for instance, i rolled it back to 112,xxx, but it reads "011,xxx"..everything works fine, trip meter etc..the odometer does too, but you really hafta figure it out when trying to read it..like the revolving numbers arent being held up somehow?..if anyone has ever done this before, there are plastic pieces between each digit, one is notched, one isnt..my question is..is it possible i just put it in the wrong way if its acting like this?..i know its vague and picture-less, but i dont have a camera handy

..ANY input helps..thanks much
p.s. im trying to be semi-legal about this haha

If you roll your speedo back it's made to do that.
It's done to keep people from doing just that.

 

[summitlt]

If you had searched you would have known that you can take off the C-clip on the cluster of numbers and changed them there, with no problems.

 

[Spudboy]

p.s. im trying to be semi-legal about this haha

Be very careful with this.

Here is an example of the requirements from Oregon. Most if not all states have similar or more severe laws all based on federal law:
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Oregon Odometer Law
ORS 815.415

Unlawful repair of odometer; civil action; penalty. (1) A person commits the offense of unlawful repair of an odometer if the person services, repairs or replaces the odometer on any vehicle and the person does not comply with all of the following:

(a) Whenever possible, the person shall perform the work on the odometer without changing the mileage reading from that shown on the odometer before the work is performed.

(b) If it is not possible to perform the work without changing the mileage reading, the person must do all of the following:

(A) Adjust the odometer reading to zero.

(B) Place a notice on the left door frame of the vehicle specifying the mileage reading prior to the work and the date the work was performed. A notice required under this subparagraph must be in writing and must be in a form established by the Department of Transportation by rule.

(C) Make an odometer disclosure in a form required by the department by rule and submit the disclosure to the department within 10 days of completing the work.

(2) The owner or any subsequent purchaser of a vehicle may bring an action in an appropriate court of this state against any person who violates this section and may recover from the person an amount of $500 or twice the actual damages caused by the violation, whichever is greater. Only a single recovery is permitted under this subsection for any single violation of this section. The court may award reasonable attorney fees to the prevailing party in an action under this section.

(3) A person is not subject to the requirements for work performed on vehicles that are exempt from odometer disclosure requirements under ORS 803.102.

(4) The offense described in this section, unlawful repair of an odometer, is a Class C misdemeanor. [1985 c.251 §4; 1991 c.873 §19; 1995 c.618 §138]
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Some states classify this as a felony.

I know that in your case there is no intent to defraud, but make sure you comply with the laws in your state.

I had a friend who spent a few years in a federal facility for doing the exact same thing you did - On a lot of vehicles instead of one and then transporting them across state lines for resale, hence the federal offense.

Spudboy

 

[FRAM]

And to add if you think in today's day and age you can roll back an odometer (Not saying you were more a general statement) forget about it.

Every time you insure or take your truck in for a service or an oil change they record the odometer reading. The same for emissions checks too. Carfax finds that stuff quite easily. I could not believe how many trucks I looked at shyster dealers that had odometer roll backs.

 

[ipkyss]

Did everyone notice that he is just doing this to make his guage swap the same as the original? He is not trying to lower the amount of miles on his jeep.

 

[ebxjbob]

Not to jack the post but i'm about to do the gauge swap, the cluster I have reads 165,786 and the one i'm taking out will read somewhere above 170,100, is there anyone to roll it FOREWARD besides driving it??

 

[langer1]

Not to jack the post but i'm about to do the gauge swap, the cluster I have reads 165,786 and the one i'm taking out will read somewhere above 170,100, is there anyone to roll it FOREWARD besides driving it??

You can roll it forward with a electric drill just not backwards.

 

[Menzenski]

Not to jack the post but i'm about to do the gauge swap, the cluster I have reads 165,786 and the one i'm taking out will read somewhere above 170,100, is there anyone to roll it FOREWARD besides driving it??

Yes, and it's easy. Search for the write-up by 90Pioneer. It took me all of thirty seconds to roll mine about 22,000 miles forward once I got the odometer's c-clip off.

 

[downshifter2006]

i did the odometer roll forward to mine. i just took a small flathead and pried on the edge of the number i wanted to change and i was able to roll it freely with my fingers. this is very easy and you dont have to take off the little clip, just make sure to push them back together after separating each one

 

[Spudboy]

Did everyone notice that he is just doing this to make his guage swap the same as the original? He is not trying to lower the amount of miles on his jeep.

I think most everyone did notice - that's not the problem. I mean no ill will but there are some issues that a lot of people don't really think about. Apparently, dirtdogger now has an odometer that has numbers that don't quite line up. That is an intentional design from the factory to make it obvious that the odometer has been tampered with. I believe it can sometimes be defeated, but to the trained eye it will usually be evident. If the law is followed, with appropriate DMV reporting and labels on the vehicle, then no sweat. If not and the vehicle gets sold; then if the new owner discovers the tampering, how does one prove that it was not rolled back? IMO, this is one of those situations where the potential civil and criminal penalties make understanding and following the laws that apply to your jurisdiction the smart thing to do.


Spudboy

 

[dirtdogger17]

no need to worry about legal issues now..i sacrificed my trip meter and swapped in the speedo/odometer gauge right into the new cluster..if i feel like it someday ill get some white face so they match, but im just happy i ditched those idiot lights...

to any law enforcement out there reading this-->im still a legal beagle

 

[ChiXJeff]

I put a gauge cluster in my 94 around 98 or 99. I rolled the odo (not legal, I know) and the digits all line up nice and purty.

Only way to tell it's been rolled is that a) I'm honest about and b) there's a dab of epoxy holding the digit wheel axle in place.

 

[PDeeXJ]

Okay, well so I did the swap on my 98, and I had 108k and now I have 72k. I doubt I'll ever sell the car, but should I sell it, would I get penalized for having the number lower? I obviously didn't roll it back, but it would appear that way. I'd rather not have it set to 00000 either. I thought it would be cool to have my same number, but it's not a big deal. Oh, and I recorded the exact mileage so I can remember what the engine really has on it.

 

[Spudboy]

Looks like the Oregon law quoted above applies to you. Read, ponder and decide how comfortable you are with your present situation. Selling a vehicle has been discussed ad nauseum, but it seems there might be some insurance questions as well in the event of an accident claim. Don't know that for sure.

Spudboy

 

[Rick Anderson]

You can swap the old odometer into the new cluster, correct? Which should be the preferred, one, because its the easiest way to keep the same mileage reading (I've done the drill thing, on a mini-van that I did the instrument panel swap and the Odometers were not compatible between panels, it took me more than an hour with the drill at full speed to run up 25k miles up on the odometer), and also;

The way I read that law above, if you swap the odometers, to keep your original odometer your in compliance with the law. Its the original odometer and you haven't changed the mileage reading, but you did perform service/maintenance by removing the odometer and re-installing it, but you haven't changed the mileage while doing the service/maintenance, just like the law stipulates.