rweaver138
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- Brooklyn, CT
god bless the USA
Old man shoots illegal alien thieves...
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ECKSJAY
Water is dirty
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You sure changed your tune real quick when called out.
A key word to consider here is "prudence". I'm not interested in 'the law' as I'm fully aware of what it says. Whether or not you come across as a wacko is up to society to decide. Fighting to keep 2nd Amendment rights is NOT going to be helped by a few people open-carrying to the gas station.
FiveNdime
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well, that's all your opinion isn't it, and I can respect that. My tune didn't change, I just had to clarify what I said in my first post so you would understand. I guess we can agree to disagree.
ECKSJAY
Water is dirty
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- Covington, WA
Minor point, that's all. Just as you get one chance to choose whether to pull the trigger, you get one chance to make an impression. Your original post reeked of internet toughguy. You should choose your words carefully the first time.
bigalpha
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A prime example of why you never talk to the police withoutyour attorney present.
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- Rainy side of Washington
It'd do the world a lot of good, too. Fewer angry grouchy old codgers, and fewer hoodlums...
alafootball
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- florida
about the gun safes what are you thinking... "a lock only keeps an honest man honest" and ive know that since i was a child... yours and your family's safety is the only reason to squeeze off a round at someone not your belongings.. As far as holding someone for the law to get there, yea i do agree to a certain extent, if u have them at gunpoint then its a catch 22 because it means you have intent to shot and if they are not armed or attacking than there are factors to be considered...
rweaver138
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- Brooklyn, CT
all this talk makes me wanna shoot someone/something
iwannadie
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- Gilbert, Az
I would think if someone broke into my house and I caught him in the act as he was about to "steal" my gun, I would shoot. I would take that as him arming himself reading to kill me. If I wait for him to actually pick the gun up then I waited to long.
I think the idea behind shooting someone that is stealing your gun is because your life will be in immediate danger.
As I don't have to many guns and at the moment I haven't given the whole shooting to protect my guns idea much thought. My only gun besides my pistol is an old mosin nagant and I leave it disassembled. My work in progress ar15 when complete I would be worried if someone picked it up ha.
I think the idea behind shooting someone that is stealing your gun is because your life will be in immediate danger.
As I don't have to many guns and at the moment I haven't given the whole shooting to protect my guns idea much thought. My only gun besides my pistol is an old mosin nagant and I leave it disassembled. My work in progress ar15 when complete I would be worried if someone picked it up ha.
ECKSJAY
Water is dirty
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- Covington, WA
Doing your part to show that gun owners are sane and rational?
wait, what? No way we can be rational, we're all rabid gun toting murderers.
Seriously though, as someone that carries a concealed pistol fairly regularly you MUST be aware of the laws regarding your use of a weapon, or you're going to end up just like this guy.
Personally, if they were driving at me, I'd have pulled the trigger too. If they're driving away from me with my trailer, no.
Now, have I confronted people on my property with a firearm? Yes, I have, but when you're venturing outside at 2AM to see what the dogs are barking about, it's best to go prepared. Could I have been cited for brandishing? Yes, do I think that the police here would do that given the situation, probably not. Had I shot an unarmed punk trying to steal scrap metal then yes, I would have been taken away and charged with murder. It's all about meeting force with force, you cannot escalate the situation with your firearm.
Do I think that charging an 80 year old man with 4 counts of attempted murder is a bit insane? Yes I sure do, but the facts are as such, you cannot use a firearm in defense of your property, only your life.
ECKSJAY
Water is dirty
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- Covington, WA
THIS
You are allowed to confront someone who is snooping around your stuff and defend yourself if necessary. No, this doesn't include sticking a shotgun barrel into their neck and holding them until the cops show up. Your state laws may vary. Find self-defense classes relevant to your geographical location and take them.
5-90
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Depends on where you are. In Texas, it's perfectly legally justifiable to shoot someone trying to steal your car - comes under the old "cattle rustling" laws!
"Castle Doctrine" should be specific, however. Home and hearth only.
Property defense rapidly becomes a grey area. For instance, did you know that the judicial standard for "immediate lethal force threat" includes someone with a knife who is twenty-one feet (or less) away from you? The idea is that the distance can be closed and you can be on the receiving end of at least one attack inside of one second.
If someone is trying to grab your firearms or a sharp pointy object, it's perfectly reasonable to think that they are trying to arm themselves without a full assessment of the situation - which is why you are generally require to "should Halt! three times before firing." A 'warning shot' will usually get you put through the wringer - if you have time to fire a warning shot, you are not at immediate threat for your life. "Aimed shots" are similarly vulnerable in court - if you have time to aim for a knee, you're not at immediate threat for your life. Two to centre mass is usually the easiest shoot to defend in court - you're taking the largest target (which you'd do under duress,) and you're shooting to stop, not shooting to kill. The killing would be incidental, not the primary intended result.
rweaver138
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- Brooklyn, CT
exactly, because i speak literally. :shhh:
joe_peters
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Castle doctrine should include where ever you are as long as you are legally there and not breaking any laws.
Some scumbag shoves a knife in your face outside of a theater--bang, one less progressive socialist voter.
Some scumbag shoves a knife in your face outside of a theater--bang, one less progressive socialist voter.
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- Rainy side of Washington
I'm fairly certain that's considered self defense, since sticking a knife in someone's face is assault while actually inserting it into their face is battery. Either one justifies an immediate response, doesn't it?
true, one should always research your local and state laws. In Ohio you can't shoot someone for stealing your car, unless they threaten your life while doing it.
I remeber seeing an SOF convention contest, on TV. It was one guy with a knife and an IPSIC pistol shooter. I think the knife guy had the knife in his hand, the pistol shooter was from the holster. The target was 25ft. They both hit the target at the same time.
Tom
RichP
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- Effort, Pa
Research Tueller drill, that 25 foot zone can come in handy in court.
