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[fscrig75]

Actually China, Russia, and especially Japan, and even Spain are ahead of us now in developing new alternative energy technologies Ultracapacitors, batteries, and Wind turbines), and they are already marketing these technologies that we could have been the first to develop and market had the DOE been provided adequite R & D grant funding the last 8 years. Unfortunately Bush and the Republicans favored oil over alternative energy R & D funding.

Chine:
"If one correlates energy production to GNP, even assuming China achieves western levels of energy intensity (units of energy per dollar of GNP), China is going to have to increase their energy production from 50 quadrillion BTU’s per year to over 250 quads. This means that while production of renewable energy in China is set to increase by staggering amounts, the amount of fossil fuel derived energy consumption in China, in absolute terms, is going to quintuple in the next few decades."
http://ecoworld.com/features/2007/01/31/chinas-renewable-energy/

Russia:
Renewable energy in Russia is largely undeveloped although there is considerable POTENTIAL for renewable energy use. Geothermal energy, which is used for heating and electricity production in some regions of the Northern Caucasus, and the Far East, is the most developed renewable energy source in Russia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_policy_of_Russia

Honestly I'm not really worried about Japan and Spain. Their military might isn't anywhere close to that of Russia or China.

Some quick US facts;
Horse Hollow Wind Energy Center, in Texas, is the world's largest wind farm at 735.5 MW capacity. It consists of 291 GE Energy 1.5 MW wind turbines and 130 Siemens 2.3 MW wind turbines built in 2005, during the Bush II administration.

Solar Energy Generating Systems (SEGS) is the name given to nine solar power plants in the Mojave Desert which were built in the 1980s. These plants have a combined capacity of 354 megawatts (MW) making them the largest solar power installation in the world. These were built during the Reagan/Bush I administrations.

Nevada Solar One
The plant went online for commercial use on June 27, 2007.[7] It was constructed over a period of 16 months. The total project site is approximately 400 acres (0.6 mi² / 1.6 km²), while the solar collectors cover 300 acres (1.2 km2). Build during the Bush II administration.

The Geysers, is a geothermal power field located 72 miles (116 km) north of San Francisco, California. It is the largest geothermal development in the world outputting over 750 MW. Completed in 1962, Kennedy, but funded from Eisenhower.

Yet they want to build a renewable wind farm in Nantucket sound, but the Kennedy's don't want their property value to go down.
Criticism has come from the Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound who state that Nantucket Sound is known worldwide for its wildlife and natural beauty.[10] In addition, they state that the proposed wind farm would be located near shipping lanes. The Cape Cod Commission has also sought to block the plan. The Massachusetts Fishermen's Partnership (a combination of several fishing organizations) has also spoken out against the project. Local fishermen are also nearly unanimously against the project, citing the fact that for many of them, up to 60% of their annual income comes from catch caught on Horseshoe Shoals, which they claim would disappear and would have to be replaced by steaming to fishing grounds further out to sea if the project is completed. [11] Other opponents include some prominent individuals who normally support sustainable energy. Proponents suggest that some of this opposition is motivated in part by ownership of real-estate on Nantucket, Martha's Vineyard or the mainland and that it raises issues of environmental justice. Robert Kennedy, Jr., whose family's Kennedy Compound is within sight of the proposed wind farm, wrote an essay stating his support for wind power in general, but opposing this project. It was published in the New York Times op-ed page on December 16, 2005.[12] This doesn't represent the view of most Massachusetts citizens in certain surveys: 81% of adults supported the project, 61% of Cape Cod residents supported it, and only 14% of adults oppose it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Wind

 

[RichP]

Yet they want to build a renewable wind farm in Nantucket sound, but the Kennedy's don't want their property value to go down.
Criticism has come from the Alliance to Protect Nantucket Sound who state that Nantucket Sound is known worldwide for its wildlife and natural beauty.[10] In addition, they state that the proposed wind farm would be located near shipping lanes. The Cape Cod Commission has also sought to block the plan. The Massachusetts Fishermen's Partnership (a combination of several fishing organizations) has also spoken out against the project. Local fishermen are also nearly unanimously against the project, citing the fact that for many of them, up to 60% of their annual income comes from catch caught on Horseshoe Shoals, which they claim would disappear and would have to be replaced by steaming to fishing grounds further out to sea if the project is completed. [11] Other opponents include some prominent individuals who normally support sustainable energy. Proponents suggest that some of this opposition is motivated in part by ownership of real-estate on Nantucket, Martha's Vineyard or the mainland and that it raises issues of environmental justice. Robert Kennedy, Jr., whose family's Kennedy Compound is within sight of the proposed wind farm, wrote an essay stating his support for wind power in general, but opposing this project. It was published in the New York Times op-ed page on December 16, 2005.[12] This doesn't represent the view of most Massachusetts citizens in certain surveys: 81% of adults supported the project, 61% of Cape Cod residents supported it, and only 14% of adults oppose it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Wind

I was up there when all that crap went on, actually attended a couple of the meetings out of curiosity and two days of rain so no fishing for me, no matter what the papers and news media says about the cape cod arrays what it boiled down to was the principals who set this thing in motion, told the cape cod and island residents the power would be FOR THEM, not sold to the power grid and then sold back, only excess output would go on the grid, that was the only way they could get the approval and cooperation of the residents. Remember the islands have to have large underwater cables to the mainland as well as bringing all fuels and supplies by ferry. Then someone leaked a copy of an agreement and a few memos/emails with the power company in Mass and the principals, they were going to ignore the residents once it was built figuring that once it was pumping power out it would be a 'too bad' situation and a done deal, ever try to undo a situation like that. That got shoved in the principles face at one meeting, from that point on it all went to hell in a handbasket. Remember, Mass is a controlled state including the media, the only reason I heard about the meeting was I was in the local library checking my emails where they had the meeting.

 

[Vince]

Then look at Ford, they just announced a 65 mpg DIESEL car, they can't or won't sell it here because it does not meet the 'stringent' emissions requirements of the US, last time I looked the European's cleanliness on the new generation of Diesels by BMW, MB, etc was even more strict than here.

Jeep have been making clean diesels for some time and they sell them all over the world except for in the USA. The Nitrous Oxide Limits in the 2007 regulations seem to have been set to be almost impossible to achieve. Perhaps this was to prevent Americans from driving economical, clean, diesels that the rest of the world has now.

 

[XJEEPER]

Seems like a catch 22......the eco-terrorists/mankind haters want a "clean" world to live in, but everything that comes down the pike to move us in that direction has an enviro-catch to it, which usually results in the new technology becoming cost prohibitive or less appealing to the general public. People don't want a complete lifestyle change, in order to support the GCC agenda, which is based on theory and speculation, at best.

The whole global climate change cult cares only about profiting from the myth they have created, under the guise of "saving the planet"........read a little on the proposed Cap and Trade for the US, then review how it's been working for the EU since 1998.......total and complete bullcrap is being pushed down our throats.

 

[RichP]

Seems like a catch 22......the eco-terrorists/mankind haters want a "clean" world to live in, but everything that comes down the pike to move us in that direction has an enviro-catch to it, which usually results in the new technology becoming cost prohibitive or less appealing to the general public. People don't want a complete lifestyle change, in order to support the GCC agenda, which is based on theory and speculation, at best.

The whole global climate change cult cares only about profiting from the myth they have created, under the guise of "saving the planet"........read a little on the proposed Cap and Trade for the US, then review how it's been working for the EU since 1998.......total and complete bullcrap is being pushed down our throats.

The eco terrorists and tree huggers don't care about people, they would not hesitate to destroy a city if it could be returned to nature, basically they are the 'green' verision of muslim extremeists.

 

[Vince]

I agree, they are terrorists. They use fear as weapon to achieve their political goals.

 

[tharlanjr]

Now dont get me wrong, but if a Diesel is getting 65 mpg, how is that not going to be burning clean?

I hate hippies, lol

 

[JNickel101]

I agree, they are terrorists. They use fear as weapon to achieve their political goals.

You must have read (or should read) "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton. Outstanding book!!!

 

[Ecomike]

I agree, they are terrorists. They use fear as weapon to achieve their political goals.

So do Politicians!