Occupy Wall Street

XJEEPER said:
Choice and consequences, my kids understood this concept at age 7.


“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”.
- Patrick Henry -
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Glad your kids understood this at 7 gaddafi just learned it recently and apparently there are those in power who still don't know it in this country.. Reality is going to hurt for most.. Oppressed masses are an ugly thing.. Just like excessive force for protesters is only going to fuel the fire.. :doh: Remember as someone stated before we might have to learn the lesson of Russia which is when you can't pay the army and the police anymore (or if they AND THEIR FAMILIES can't survive on what they are paid) it's just charity work for them and loyalty can be lost then it get's interesting?? If you think pay cuts aren't coming for the army and the police you my friend are oblivious and blind because that's exactly what's happening..

themud
 
Usually where there's smoke...
ACORN Playing Behind Scenes Role in 'Occupy' Movement

By Jana Winter
Published October 26, 2011 | FoxNews.com

The former New York office for ACORN, the disbanded community activist group, is playing a key role in the self-proclaimed “leaderless” Occupy Wall Street movement, organizing “guerrilla” protest events and hiring door-to-door canvassers to collect money under the banner of various causes while spending it on protest-related activities, sources tell FoxNews.com.

The former director of New York ACORN, Jon Kest, and his top aides are now busy working at protest events for New York Communities for Change (NYCC). That organization was created in late 2009 when some ACORN offices disbanded and reorganized under new names after undercover video exposes prompted Congress to cut off federal funds.

NYCC’s connection to ACORN isn’t a tenuous one: It works from the former ACORN offices in Brooklyn, uses old ACORN office stationery, employs much of the old ACORN staff and, according to several sources, engages in some of the old organization’s controversial techniques to raise money, interest and awareness for the protests.

Sources said NYCC has hired about 100 former ACORN-affiliated staff members from other cities – paying some of them $100 a day - to attend and support Occupy Wall Street. Dozens of New York homeless people recruited from shelters are also being paid to support the protests, at the rate of $10 an hour, the sources said.

At least some of those hired are being used as door-to-door canvassers to collect money that’s used to support the protests.

Sources said cash donations collected by NYCC on behalf of some unions and various causes are being pooled and spent on Occupy Wall Street. The money is used to buy supplies, pay staff and cover travel expenses for the ex-ACORN members brought to New York for the protests.

In one such case, sources said, NYCC staff members collected cash donations for what they were told was a United Federation of Teachers fundraising drive, but the money was diverted to the protests.

Sources who participated in the teachers union campaign said NYCC supervisors gave them the addresses of union members and told them to go knock on their doors and ask for contributions—and did not mention that the money would go toward Occupy Wall Street expenses. One source said the campaign raked in about $5,000.

Current staff members at NYCC told FoxNews.com the union fundraising drive was called off abruptly last week, and they were told NYCC should not have been raising money for the union at all.

Sources said staff members also collected door-to-door for NYCC’s PCB campaign — which aims to test schools for deadly toxins —but then pooled that money together with cash raised for the teachers union and other campaigns to fund Occupy Wall Street.

“We go to Freeport, Central Islip, Park Slope, everywhere, and we say we’re collecting money for PCBs testing in schools. But the money isn’t going to the campaign," one source said.

"It’s going to Occupy Wall Street, and we’re not using that money to get schools tested for deadly chemicals or to make their kids safer. It’s just going to the protests, and that’s just so terrible.”

A spokesman for the United Federation of Teachers told FoxNews.com, "The UFT is not involved in any NYCC fundraising on the PCB issue.”

Multiple sources said NYCC is also using cash donations through canvassing efforts in New York’s Harlem and Washington Heights neighborhoods for union-backed campaigns to fund the Wall Street protests.

“All the money collected from canvasses is pooled together back at the office, and everything we’ve been working on for the last year is going to the protests, against big banks and to pay people’s salaries—and those people on salary are, of course, being paid to go to the protests every day,” one NYCC staff member told FoxNews.com.

Those who contribute don't know the money is going to fund the protests, the source said.

“They give contributions because we say if they do we can fix things - whatever specific problem they’re having in their area, housing, schools, whatever ... then we spend the contributions paying staff to be at the protests all day, every day. That’s where these contributions - the community’s money – is going,” the source said.

“They’re doing the same stuff now that got ACORN in trouble to begin with. And yes, we’re still ACORN, there is a still a national ACORN.”

Another source, who said she was hired from a homeless shelter, said she was first sent to the protests before being deployed to Central Islip, Long Island, to canvass for a campaign against home foreclosures.

“I went to the protests every day for two weeks and made $10 an hour. They made me carry NYCC signs and big orange banners that say NYCC in white letters. About 50 others were hired around my time to go to the protests. We went to protests in and around Zuccotti Park, then to the big Times Square protest,” she said.

“But now they have me canvassing on Long Island for money, so I get the money and then the money is being used for Occupy Wall Street—to pay for all of it, for supplies, food, transportation, salaries, for everything ... all that money is going to pay for the protests downtown and that’s just messed up. It’s just wrong.”

Neither Kest, NYCC executive director, nor his communications director returned repeated email and telephone requests for comment, nor did his communications director. A Fox News producer who visited the Brooklyn office on Tuesday was told, "The best people to speak to who are involved with Occupy Wall Street aren't available."

But the organization responded to this story late Wednesday, alerting a FoxNews.com reporter by Twitter message to a statement posted on its website that called the story a "smear campaign."

"Fox News is trying to discredit Occupy Wall Street. New York Communities for Change is a new organization that fights for low- and moderate-income families," the agency said in the online statement, credited to board member Linnette Ebanks. "We don't pay protesters and any monies raised by NYCC's canvass are used in support of our ongoing issue campaigns. Period."

The statement also argued that Occupy Wall Street is "an organic movement" that has the support of most Americans.

NYCC Deputy Director Greg Basta subsequently declined an invitation for an on-the-record interview with Kest to discuss FoxNews.com's reporting of the story.

In a phone interview on Tuesday, Harrison Schultz, an Occupy Wall Street spokesman, said he knew nothing about NYCC’s involvement in the Occupy movement.

“Haven’t seen them, couldn’t tell you,” he said.

He said he couldn’t comment on the Occupy the Boardroom website’s relationship to the movement and to NYCC.

“It’s a horizontal organization, a leaderless organization, it’s difficult to explain it,” Schultz said, “difficult to explain it to people who haven’t worked in this, who haven’t been part of it.”

Kest publicly threw his organization’s support behind the movement in a Sept. 30 opinion piece on HuffingtonPost.com. But top ex-ACORN staff members and current NYCC officials have been planning events like the Occupy Wall Street protests since February, a source within the group told FoxNews.com.

That’s when planning began for May 12 protests against Chase bank foreclosures, which were followed by the formation of the Beyond May 12 campaign, targeting Wall Street and big banks. That campaign was rolled out by a coalition of community groups and unions and led by the revamped former ACORN group.

“What people don’t understand is that ACORN is behind this — and that this, what’s happening now, is all part of the May 12 and Beyond May 12 plans to go after the banks, Chase in particular,” a source said.

Sources said NYCC was a key player behind a series of recent Occupy Wall Street events, including the Oct. 11 Millionaires March, which brought protests and union and community groups on walking tours of Upper East Side homes of wealthy New Yorkers; and the launch of the “Occupy the Boardroom” website, registered to Kest, which encouraged protesters to contact high-profile bankers, among others.
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XJEEPER said:
Choice and consequences
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Choice and consequence eh? You mean like the folks that chose to create events leading upto the sub prime mortgage crisis in order to make more money and, consequentially, received a bailout package that allowed them to keep their jobs and bonuses?
Or the the folks that chose to protest this unjust fiasco and, consequentially, were labeled as stupid pariahs and inevitably targeted by the police to disperse?


XJEEPER said:
my kids understood this concept at age 7.
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Oh god, you mated and procreated!! I hope they didn’t inherit your hooves and horns.


XJEEPER said:
“The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people; it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests”.
- Patrick Henry -
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So now you’re for the OWS?


XJEEPER said:
Hmmmmmm.........
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/peter-schiff-takes-99
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You’re missing the point (shocker). It’s not about taxing the shit out of the rich and successful people (they deserve to keep what they earned); it’s about creating a system that ensures they earned their wealth fairly. What’s so hard to understand that finding loopholes to evade taxes is wrong, that lobbying for unsubstantiated tax incentives is wrong, that putting life insurance on your employees (without their knowledge) is wrong, that treating private pensions as equity to fatten the bottom line is wrong , that shipping factory jobs overseas while getting tax breaks is wrong.


Boatwrench said:
Another video

Unfortunately I don't have speakers hooked up to my computer so did not hear narrative prior to posting.
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Classy


Tom R. said:
It's next to impossible to have a sensible discussion with libs. God help us....how are we going to deal with so many stupid people?
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The right will call the Left stupid; the Left will call the Right hypocrites. There might be some truth in either statement; of coarse, you can always find some truth in stereotypes if you look heard enough. The problem’s that those comments polarize the debate instead of finding a centrist solution.
 
Tom R. said:
It's next to impossible to have a sensible discussion with libs. God help us....how are we going to deal with so many stupid people?
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Like this guy...

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It's easy to find a slice of stupid in every political circle.
 
"They will always keep in mind that their countrymen are freemen, and, as such, are impatient of everything that bears the least mark of a domineering spirit. They will, therefore, refrain, with the most guarded circumspection, from whatever has the semblance of haughtiness, rudeness, or insult." - Alexander Hamilton, Letter of Instructions to the Commanding Officers of the Revenue Cutters, 4 June 1791.
 
420BlackXJ said:
The OWS movement is not anti corporate. They are anti corporate-crime.
So am I.:viking:
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It appears the OWS folks are selective in what crimes they want enforced. When the police tell the OWS crowd to disperse and vacate and they refuse, but instead attack the police with whatever they have available......doesn't really shed a good light on the movement.

I'm anti-crime.....of any flavor.
 
XJEEPER said:
It appears the OWS folks are selective in what crimes they want enforced. When the police tell the OWS crowd to disperse and vacate and they refuse, but instead attack the police with whatever they have available......doesn't really shed a good light on the movement.

I'm anti-crime.....of any flavor.
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Seems the police are selective on when to enforce laws. They have no problem busting up OWS encampments in front of a bank at 0200, but will not roust & arrest homeless committing the same crimes one street over along side a printing company.

Doesn't really shed a positive light on the police force. Actually it makes them appear to be paid mercs for corporate greed.
 
I like this.


*Congressional Reform Act of 2011*

1. No Tenure / No Pension.

A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when out of office.

2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the rest of the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans can.

4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12.

The American people did not make this contract with the members of Congress. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

An attorney in St. Louis, Jarrad Holst, points out by email that there is a way to enact Buffett's idea without the cooperation of Congress. Under Article V of the U.S. Constitution, a "Convention for proposing Amendments" is convened when called for by the legislatures of two-thirds of the states. A proposed amendment would then need to be ratified by the legislatures of three-quarters of the states.
 
XJEEPER said:
I like this.


*Congressional Reform Act of 2011*

1. No Tenure / No Pension.

A Congressman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when out of office.

2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security. All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the rest of the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans can.

4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen are void effective 1/1/12.

The American people did not make this contract with the members of Congress. Congressmen made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.

An attorney in St. Louis, Jarrad Holst, points out by email that there is a way to enact Buffett's idea without the cooperation of Congress. Under Article V of the U.S. Constitution, a "Convention for proposing Amendments" is convened when called for by the legislatures of two-thirds of the states. A proposed amendment would then need to be ratified by the legislatures of three-quarters of the states.
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Wow. you actually posted something that I agree with.:sunshine:
 
Boatwrench said:
Seems the police are selective on when to enforce laws. They have no problem busting up OWS encampments in front of a bank at 0200, but will not roust & arrest homeless committing the same crimes one street over along side a printing company.

Doesn't really shed a positive light on the police force. Actually it makes them appear to be paid mercs for corporate greed.
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Hmmm, interesting take. I wasn't there on the street in Oakland when it happened. I'm hoping to see the video shot by the centerists with no agenda.

On a related note, is this why George Soros met behind closed doors with the NYPD last week? Wonder what they talked about?
 
420BlackXJ said:
Wow. you actually posted something that I agree with.:sunshine:
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Maybe his brain pills kicked-in, because that list was comprehensible and valid.


XJEEPER said:
On a related note, is this why George Soros met behind closed doors with the NYPD last week? Wonder what they talked about?
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Opps I spoke too soon.
 
XJEEPER said:
Hmmm, interesting take. I wasn't there on the street in Oakland when it happened. I'm hoping to see the video shot by the centerists with no agenda.
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who is behind the camera doesn't influence how many people were shot and injured and had flash bombs explode in their face, check youtube and you will see multiple angles of the marine that is most likely going to die from injuries caused by police....we'll just say, overkill
 
XJEEPER said:
Hmmmmmm.........

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/peter-schiff-takes-99
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Mr. Schiff's claim here is that since his corporation pays 35% income tax, and that then he pays tax either on dividends or capital gains when he personally monetizes the profit generated by his corporation, that in essence, he is paying upwards of 50% of his income to taxes.

His corporation is being taxed. And he is being taxed.


He also calls out Warren Buffet, since Buffet states that since his personal tax rate is less than the rate his secretary pays. Shiff calls out Buffet for not including the corporate income tax paid by Berskhire Hathaway, of which Buffet is the largest shareholder.


This is the core of the "double taxation" debate where business income is taxed, and so are dividends and capital gains associated with owning a business.

The argument is that as a business owner, your income is taxed twice. Once at the "corporate" level, and once at the "personal" level.



But,
-since the US Supreme Court recognizes corporations as people for purposes of the 14th amendment, and corporations are granted all the same protections as people under the Constitution, and
-since the corporate veil exists, allowing business owner's the ability to shield their personal assets from lawsuits resulting from decisions they made "as the corporation",


is it really double taxation of the same income?
 
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