Obama's Freudian slip?

[norcal420]

The structure your life is built around, like it or not, is based on morals. The morals that make up the society that we live in are based on Christian heritage, et. the teachings of Jesus, and the laws of the old testament.

LOL xeleventybillion

what about the myriad of other societies which were not based on christian heritage? are you actually claiming their immorality by default?

 

[BPB]

Lets set our beliefs aside and get back to hating obama, osama, whatever you want to call him.!!!!!

On another note, Obama's religouse background may hamper our finding terrorist. I guarantee that he is against profiling, in this war against terrorism, it is a must, it sucks, but it is.

 

[red91]

Just the Jews don't believe Messiah has come whereas Christians believe Jesus to be the Messiah.

This is the equivalent of saying since the majority of our prison population is black they must all be a problem.

Blanket statements about religion don't work. MANY MANY Jews of that era recognized him for who he was through prophecy.


Even this jew knows that... and I'm not the only one.

 

[muduck18]

i'm essentially saying people are idiots. ESPECIALLY those that believe in jesus christ as lord and savior, or 72 virgins upon suicide bombings or separating your milk and meat.

and your hell doesn't scare me one bit. your god is weak. he's got nothing on me.


i certainly don't believe in fate. i believe in the soul, the c o c k, the p u s s y, the small of a woman's back, the hanging curve ball, high fiber, good scotch, that the novels of Susan Sontag are self-indulgent, overrated crap. I believe Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe there ought to be a constitutional amendment outlawing astroturf and the designated hitter. I believe in the sweet spot, soft-core pornography, opening your presents Christmas morning rather than Christmas Eve and I believe in long, slow, deep, soft, wet kisses that last three days.

People believe what they want to make themselves comfortable with what they don't understand.

Some people use religion to explain things they don't understand.
others get defensive and call people names.

what about the myriad of other societies which were not based on christian heritage? are you actually claiming their immorality by default?

That was an example of how people can justify the belief that a god does not exist, because said god has molded the society into morality rather than the people into morality.
If one person in 1000 is an atheist, and 999 are Christians and they are all living on a democratic/republic island. The atheist would not have any choice but to live with the laws and 'morals' of the 999. because the majority of that society has setup laws and has imposed these laws on anyone who wishes to live in society.

As far as the "myriad" of other societies... Most societies not based on the Christian heritage recognize deity(ies) of some sort, sun gods, earth gods, rain god... etc. there is many times an understanding that the people of earth are insignificant in perspective to the world and universe, not in all cases... but a society void of Christian heritage does not make it void of God.

As this is not a religion thread, I am sorry I opened this can of worms... It seems that I am able to deal with a leader that does not believe in a God easier than it is for a person who doesn't believe in a God to respect the belief and the ability to act based on said beliefs while still in looking out for the best interest of the country.
I Think that disregarding her because of her belief in God is a mistake.

What scares me is people that invoke God to sanctify their own wordly agenda.

I agree with that statement, that there is a fine line between doing what is right because one believes that is what God wants, and doing what someone wants and using Gods name to further thier purpose...

 

[JNickel101]

As much as I like discussing religious views and whatnot (I actually like to hear where others are coming from, rather than just assuming someone to be beneath me because of a difference in beliefs), I think I'll make a final statement and then leave it be in this one. Unless someone puts forth a truly interesting argument and/or truly has a question.

Christianity is not a religion where you go to church get called a sinner and then go home and sit in the corner scared that God's going to zap you because you're a sinner. If you only obey His word out of fear, that's not what God is looking for. In fact, generally the word for fear in the original texts when referring to "fearing God" isn't about fright, it's about reverence. Being a Christian means coming to acknowledge and accept that we can't live up to His standards and as such can't know Him. However, Jesus was sent to bridge the gap and pay our debt. Outside of Jesus there is no way for us to be pleasing to God.
As far as not doing anything wrong, have you ever looked at a hot chick and thought of the things you'd like to do to her? Ever looked at someone's XJ on here and said, Damn, wish that was mine? Ever cuss, take the Lord's name in vain, etc? Then you've sinned. Doesn't make you better or worse than anyone, we're all at the same level. Some, unfortunately make it easy for people to call Christians stuck up, but then non-believers can do the same. Look at Phil and Norcal's opinion of those who believe in God. Do I think it would be cool if we all believed in Him? Absolutely, but we don't. And that's fine by me. We all make up our minds based on our experience, and if you believe different from me, ok. For your sake, I hope I'm wrong. But you'll never convince me of that in this life, just like I'll not convince any of you. So, seriously, let's leave the name calling out of this. Or at least, have a good reason. For example, norcal420 strikes me as an idiot simply because his mind is so closed and small that he can't accept the idea of others believing differently than him and needs to resort to calling you an idiot. See how that works?

Oh yeah, and prior to Christianity was Judaism, which Christianity is essentially the fulfillment of their prophecy for a Messiah. That literally is the same God. Just the Jews don't believe Messiah has come whereas Christians believe Jesus to be the Messiah.

I know that Judaism preceeded Christianity - but SOMEONE made a blanket statement saying that CHRISTIANITY (not organized religion as a whole) is responisble for MY moral behavior. That's the only thing I take issue with.

I dont think anyone is an idiot for their religious beliefs (well, except the fanatical, crazy, extremist types - but I think that is mental illness, not religion talking). I just personally don't need that type of validation to live my life every day and be a good person. I do find humor in religion though, and sometimes it baffles me the way some people think...

Oh and Dogma is a fantastic movie....

 

[norcal420]

For example, norcal420 strikes me as an idiot simply because his mind is so closed and small that he can't accept the idea of others believing differently than him and needs to resort to calling you an idiot. See how that works?

kudos on missing the point. twice. :rotflmao:

 

[GSequoia]

Even this jew knows that... and I'm not the only one.

Jews for Jesus?


By the way Scott, I call bullshit here. If you were around then and in that 'hood you'd have been following Brian, not Jesus.

 

[GSequoia]

Norcal,

Knock off the name calling and religious baiting. It is not acceptable to say that somebody is an idiot because they don't have the same beliefs you do.


This is coming as a moderator of the forum.

Thank you ,
G. Sequoia Armstrong

 

[norcal420]

Official moderator message noted, but you too miss the point.

I am not calling people idiots because they disagree. They are idiots for believing in fairy tales. That is an easily defensible position.

Norcal,

Knock off the name calling and religious baiting. It is not acceptable to say that somebody is an idiot because they don't have the same beliefs you do.


This is coming as a moderator of the forum.

Thank you ,
G. Sequoia Armstrong

 

[ECKSJAY]

Official moderator message noted, but you too miss the point.

I am not calling people idiots because they disagree. They are idiots for believing in fairy tales. That is an easily defensible position.

Maybe let them live happily ever after then.

 

[Darky]

This is the equivalent of saying since the majority of our prison population is black they must all be a problem.

Blanket statements about religion don't work. MANY MANY Jews of that era recognized him for who he was through prophecy.


Even this jew knows that... and I'm not the only one.

Yeah, and there's Jews today who believe Jesus to be the prophesied Messiah, IIRC, they are the Messianic Jews. But the Jewish religion as a whole did not buy into Jesus as the prophesied king of the Jews. But you know that.

 

[Darky]

I know that Judaism preceeded Christianity - but SOMEONE made a blanket statement saying that CHRISTIANITY (not organized religion as a whole) is responisble for MY moral behavior. That's the only thing I take issue with.

I dont think anyone is an idiot for their religious beliefs (well, except the fanatical, crazy, extremist types - but I think that is mental illness, not religion talking). I just personally don't need that type of validation to live my life every day and be a good person. I do find humor in religion though, and sometimes it baffles me the way some people think...

Oh and Dogma is a fantastic movie....

See, I gots no problem with that.
Norcal, I have no problem that you don't believe in religion, but many people do. If you can't help but insult people for their belief in what you believe to be a fairy tale, then don't say anything bout it. I tend to stay out of evolution discussions for that reason. To me, it's foolishness, and every bit as much a leap of faith as any religion, yet so many claim it as fact. To each their own, I guess.

EDIT: Oh, yeah, and Nickel, I thought Dogma was hilarious too. Blasphemous though it may have been...

 

[fscrig75]

Official moderator message noted, but you too miss the point.

I am not calling people idiots because they disagree. They are idiots for believing in fairy tales. That is an easily defensible position.

I have the same opinion you do about religion, but I have no issue or think people are idiots for having faith in what they believe.
You can't prove 100% that their God does not exist, and they can not prove 100% that their God does exist.
People like yourself are the main reasons that most people can not stand atheists.
You call people idiots for believing in some form of God, your also probably the type that gets pissed that a church puts up a nativity display at christmas, hell you probably get pissed its called christmas, or that God is in our national anthem, and the pledge.
The history of our nation is wrapped in religion. It is how it is and its never going to change, and it should NEVER change.
I'll bet you get pissed off when people say that your going to Hell because you don't believe in their God. So how exactly do you think they feel when you tell them they are idiots for believing in their God.
If someone says something to you for being an atheist by all means tear them a new one, but don't lump everyone into the same boat.

 

[JNickel101]

EDIT: Oh, yeah, and Nickel, I thought Dogma was hilarious too. Blasphemous though it may have been...

Only to Catholics

 

[norcal420]

Norcal, I have no problem that you don't believe in religion, but many people do. If you can't help but insult people for their belief in what you believe to be a fairy tale, then don't say anything bout it. I tend to stay out of evolution discussions for that reason. To me, it's foolishness, and every bit as much a leap of faith as any religion, yet so many claim it as fact. To each their own, I guess.

I'm hesitant to respond because of the mod warning, so I'll be brief. This was a religious OT discussion, the whole point is to post your thoughts/opinons and add to the discussion. People didn't like me tone - fine. However I am free to add my insight as I see fit just as you choose to avoid certain topics.

 

[norcal420]

I have the same opinion you do about religion, but I have no issue or think people are idiots for having faith in what they believe.

So you don't have the same opinion.

You can't prove 100% that their God does not exist, and they can not prove 100% that their God does exist.

With proper terms, we can prove a god, any god, doesn't exist or is unworthy of deification.

The rest of your post is ..... well.... let's just say sorta, kinda, not really on par. :looney:

 

[GSequoia]

Saying "I don't believe in (your/any) god" is fine, in fact I agree with you. Saying everybody who does is a fawking moron is not aceptable and never will be.

I'm a cry leniant moderator, please do not test my patience.

 

[msrorysddad]

hey Darky what's up? I believe that people who do not believe in a God are truly strong. To put your faith in a from goo to you type of evolutionary wonder have a stronger faith than either Jews Muslims, or Christians. To put your faith in a religion that dates back to before we as humans could write well or wipe with paper, or a religion that branches from it, Muslims first with Ishmael, then with Christianity with Isaac, both from Abraham, as it is told. Takes very little true faith, to see lineage believed to be true by three separate religions, fought over and argued about for ages now is relatively easy for the simple minded. To on the other hand take pieces of skullcap, and shards of bone and make up a story about how mankind evolved from the primordial ooze takes true faith. To stand before a group and proclaim them all idiots for a simple belief takes true faith. I for one feel to be named an idiot by such wise and learned individuals to be a true honor. For them to believe that such simple minded individuals even deserve so much as to be chastised for their "fairy tale beliefs" shows me, that I too can strive to become so intelligent as to pass judgement over others for their ignorance, to become so rude as to believe that my beliefs are correct and all others are merely deluded fools whom some day may reach a higher level of mental awareness as I. Now that gives me pause sir Darky, now that gives me pause, my brother. Love ya'll

 

[msrorysddad]

oh back to the subject, Biden's got a way worse case of foot in mouth disease. I do not believe Obama to be a Muslim, just one of those whom uses religion to gain something, you see how quickly he dumped the "reverend Wright". By the way to scream about how horrid America is "God damn America" and to own the vehicles, home, and other worldly goods is a grand example of using religion for self enrichment. Back to the subject, I'm gonna vote for the gun totin chick and the Geezer. I actually vote for Allan Keyes, I'm such a backwoods redneck. :doh:

 

[JNickel101]

hey Darky what's up? I believe that people who do not believe in a God are truly strong. To put your faith in a from goo to you type of evolutionary wonder have a stronger faith than either Jews Muslims, or Christians. To put your faith in a religion that dates back to before we as humans could write well or wipe with paper, or a religion that branches from it, Muslims first with Ishmael, then with Christianity with Isaac, both from Abraham, as it is told. Takes very little true faith, to see lineage believed to be true by three separate religions, fought over and argued about for ages now is relatively easy for the simple minded. To on the other hand take pieces of skullcap, and shards of bone and make up a story about how mankind evolved from the primordial ooze takes true faith. To stand before a group and proclaim them all idiots for a simple belief takes true faith. I for one feel to be named an idiot by such wise and learned individuals to be a true honor. For them to believe that such simple minded individuals even deserve so much as to be chastised for their "fairy tale beliefs" shows me, that I too can strive to become so intelligent as to pass judgement over others for their ignorance, to become so rude as to believe that my beliefs are correct and all others are merely deluded fools whom some day may reach a higher level of mental awareness as I. Now that gives me pause sir Darky, now that gives me pause, my brother. Love ya'll

My head hurts from attempting to read this....