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That about sums it up!
Not to be a whiny b!tch but...
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Hot damn! This thread took off, I forgot about it and come back to see a 5 pager...
Just to clear it up, I was never saying I was going to drop out, that wouldnt be the brightest thing.
I just wanted to rant about how gas bends me over when it comes to having fun, I wasnt crying about how no one pays for all my stuff.
Right now I pay for all of my stuff, (bought my truck, pay insurance, gas... ect.) which is everything I own. I kinda pride myself in this, becuase 3/4 of the people at my school had a care handed to them or theyre insurance is paid for, something along those lines. Of course my parents pay my room and board...
I recently bought a street legal dirtbike, 60MPG here I come! I figured it will pay for itself in 8 months. Its a long time, but Its way more fun, and a lot cheaper to maintain. Tires for the whole thing cost $90.
Just to clear it up, I was never saying I was going to drop out, that wouldnt be the brightest thing.
I just wanted to rant about how gas bends me over when it comes to having fun, I wasnt crying about how no one pays for all my stuff.
Right now I pay for all of my stuff, (bought my truck, pay insurance, gas... ect.) which is everything I own. I kinda pride myself in this, becuase 3/4 of the people at my school had a care handed to them or theyre insurance is paid for, something along those lines. Of course my parents pay my room and board...
I recently bought a street legal dirtbike, 60MPG here I come! I figured it will pay for itself in 8 months. Its a long time, but Its way more fun, and a lot cheaper to maintain. Tires for the whole thing cost $90.
its starting to get warm out so you will have some more options to make a little more money. when i was in school and even when i first got out i would clean the neighbors gutters, 25 bucks a pop and the older ones usualy wanted something either painted or planted. i used to plant 2 of there gardens for them and for 3 other ones i would plant there flower gardens. but i washed cars on friday afternoons and saturdays. at 25-60 bucks a pop. that was my bread and butter. i had 10 cars every week to clean and usualy picked up 3 or 4 more from friends of theres and friends on my parents. durring the winter time when it snowed and wreckers were gouging prices to pull an undamaged car out of the ditch i would make a killing. i had a dodge dakota 4wd that was my dads work truck. 50 buck to pull you out. i would drive the highways and listen to the state police report cars in the ditch and would head that way. my line was "well sir or mam you can wait for the tow truck thats gonna charge $75 or more or i can pull you out for $50." i did that so much i actualy had a reliese form for them to sign so i wasnt held liable for any damage to there cars. in a 2 day strech i made $750. and could have made more but i had to sleep sometime. to point is there are other ways to make some spare cash. you just have to be willing to give up some of your time and energy. good luck and have fun but most important, stay in school.
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Ayuh - be creative. Take trades classes, if they are available.
I'm 33, married, and my MIL lives with me (damn!) I go to school full-time - I've had to slow down a bit, but I'm ramping back up to about 22 units per quarter.
In addition to school, I also salvage scrap metal, and I've got my own business (Kelley's Works in Progress - Jeep Parts and skilled labour) that I used to supplement my wife's income. If I could find an employer that would offer me a schedule that I could work with, I'd have a job as well.
Skilled labour? Sure - electrical, light carpentry, metal work, patching sheetrock, hanging furniture & fixtures, ergonomic consultation for office setups, voice/data wiring, you name it - if it needs doing, give me a call. If I can't do it, I'll tell you who probably can (or if I need time to brush up.)
I've done auto parts, high-rise maintenance, industrial maintenance, did the industrial mechanic things for a while, serviced coin-op, did hydraulics, small engines, generators, auto mechanics, body shop paint prep, and God only knows what else - in addition to spending six years in the Air Force (radioman, small arms repair, medic, and everything else if and when.) I've even had to do door-to-door sales or push an idiot stick just to keep the wheelbarrow full, until something better came up.
The point is, make sure there's nothing on your list of "I won't do that!" and you won't go hungry. Hell, you might even keep your hobbies.
As far as "paying for everything yourself," I wish you could say that. Give it time - I bought my first house at 15 as an "emancipated minor," and made enough with my job (busboy with tip splits) and odd jobs (more skilled labour) to have it 78% paid off when I sold it three years later. Not bad for a teenager - that's some serious drive.
What I'm trying to say is that you can't say there's no money out there - you just have to look. Sometimes you have to dig a little deeper than you would normally, but if you look, you'll find it.
I just can't figure out how they think out here - we can't afford a $1300/mo mortgage, but $1700/mo rent is no problem. WTF?
Wait until you get out on your own, then you'll really start griping. I'm not saying that you are now, but wait until you're "all growed up" and have all the bills - $1700/mo rent. $300/mo PG&E. $80/mo water & sewage. $400/mo food. I've got to get out of here...
5-90
I'm 33, married, and my MIL lives with me (damn!) I go to school full-time - I've had to slow down a bit, but I'm ramping back up to about 22 units per quarter.
In addition to school, I also salvage scrap metal, and I've got my own business (Kelley's Works in Progress - Jeep Parts and skilled labour) that I used to supplement my wife's income. If I could find an employer that would offer me a schedule that I could work with, I'd have a job as well.
Skilled labour? Sure - electrical, light carpentry, metal work, patching sheetrock, hanging furniture & fixtures, ergonomic consultation for office setups, voice/data wiring, you name it - if it needs doing, give me a call. If I can't do it, I'll tell you who probably can (or if I need time to brush up.)
I've done auto parts, high-rise maintenance, industrial maintenance, did the industrial mechanic things for a while, serviced coin-op, did hydraulics, small engines, generators, auto mechanics, body shop paint prep, and God only knows what else - in addition to spending six years in the Air Force (radioman, small arms repair, medic, and everything else if and when.) I've even had to do door-to-door sales or push an idiot stick just to keep the wheelbarrow full, until something better came up.
The point is, make sure there's nothing on your list of "I won't do that!" and you won't go hungry. Hell, you might even keep your hobbies.
As far as "paying for everything yourself," I wish you could say that. Give it time - I bought my first house at 15 as an "emancipated minor," and made enough with my job (busboy with tip splits) and odd jobs (more skilled labour) to have it 78% paid off when I sold it three years later. Not bad for a teenager - that's some serious drive.
What I'm trying to say is that you can't say there's no money out there - you just have to look. Sometimes you have to dig a little deeper than you would normally, but if you look, you'll find it.
I just can't figure out how they think out here - we can't afford a $1300/mo mortgage, but $1700/mo rent is no problem. WTF?
Wait until you get out on your own, then you'll really start griping. I'm not saying that you are now, but wait until you're "all growed up" and have all the bills - $1700/mo rent. $300/mo PG&E. $80/mo water & sewage. $400/mo food. I've got to get out of here...
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this thread is fantastic...5-90 i have a lot of respect for you man. I totally agree that there is lots of money out there, the problem is that most of my generation (about 18 years old) is waaaaayyy too lazy to do anything for themselves...o well i guess that leaves more money for those of us who are willing to work hard.
summitlt-congrats on the bike!! what is it?
Mike
summitlt-congrats on the bike!! what is it?
Mike
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Not sure that i can follow the logic behind not raising the minimum wage. Especially not because it would raise the cost of goods and services because, that's the whole problem with it now, you can't afford any goods or services working for it! I'm not that old, but i can remember seeing old price of right shows where brand new mustangs cost 2000.00. One can go back and see that the price of a mustang has jumped a couple hundred percent while the minimum wage has remained stagnant. In fact, the price of everything has gone through the roof leaving people to live off of credit, which is ridiculous to ask of working people. Who wants to work just to bury themselves with credit? Meanwhile CEO pay has skyrocketed whilst the rest of the people are shat upon. I don't know where you fellas live where there is sooooo much money to be had, (doing odd jobs and such)but it must be nice. How in the hell one buys a house/gets a loan to buy a house at 15 years old, well thats just beyond me. And believe me, people said my generation was just toooo lazy as well, I wish laziness was the only problem! That'd be tooo damned easy to fix! Oh well, i don' t want to rant, I guess worrying about the future of a beautiful four year old girl will sort of light a fire under ones arse, every now and again..................
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That was the nice thing about being an "emancipated minor" - I was legally an adult, and I'll admit that the mortgage was OWC, rather than through a bank. You might want to Google "emancipated minor" and see what you find out - it's essentially your parents officially and legally abdicating responsibility for you, and seeing you out on your own (which is only semi-true in my case - we had reasons for doing it.)
Raising the minimum wage will continue to devalue the dollar. "The value of a thing is what that thing will bring" - the more dollars you have to spend to buy the same thing you did last year, the less those dollars are worth. Raising the minimum wage only serves to make the broke more broke - they've got more dollars, true; but they're worth less.
I don't want to get started on CEO pay (or executive pay in general,) since that's fuel for another discussion. It seems that the less work you end up doing, the more you are paid. I came up the other way - the boss eats last, sleeps last, gets paid last, and gets laid last - that's part of the boss' responsibilities. I suppose it's the old non-com in me talking there, but there you have it.
Honestly, the smartest thing we could do - economically speaking - would be to start reducing the minimum wage with an eye toward eliminating it entirely (since it's little more than a government control on what the basics will cost,) and declare an effective tax holiday. Reduce the government infrastructure to where it needs significantly less funding, and also eliminate the trade deficit with the Pacific Rim. It might not hurt to do something about all the illegal immigration - all that money going on (on the last two) and nothing to very little coming back results in a drain on the economy and yet another effective devaluation of the dollar.
Take illegals from parts South - they come up here to work, make money, and don't get taxed on it (except for sales and excise taxes collected when goods are purchased.) They then send the money home to their families - but we don't get anything in return. Multiply that by the estimated 12M illegal immigrants here (from everywhere, now - not just Mexico) and you're looking at a serious outlay with no material gain.
Look at the trade deficits - mainly with the Western Pacific Rim. True, we buy from them, and they buy from us - but they don't buy anywhere near as much from us as we buy from them! Therefore, we also end up sending a boatload of money to those countries (Hong Kong, Taiwan, China, Korea, Japan, for starts) and there's relatively little coming back. Again, we are hemorrhaging money for little to no material gain, and devaluing the dollar. To correct, pass new trade agreements/regulations saying that trade with foreign nations must now be carried out on a "one-to-one" (or close to it) basis. Balanced trade would allow us to keep more dollars effectively in the United States, and slow inflation (due, again, to devaluation of the dollar by all the dollars going out and nothing coming back.)
All the trouble with inflation mainly started with the Bank Holiday of 1934(?) as carried out by FDR, and the following removal of the gold/silver "specie" standard and the establishment of the Federal Reserve. By removing the anchor to which the American Dollar was attached, we have set it adrift - with no controls. We weren't the only people to come up with the idea of "hard" money - the British Pound was originally set to the value of one pound of Sterling silver - thus, the "pound Sterling."
I don't seem to recall any monetary unit based upon any sort of resource anymore - it's all bookmarks, and about as intrinsically useful. Economists who believe they are practicing a "science" are delusional - sciences are based upon essential and immutable rules of reality, and there are no such in economics. Econ is little more than a combination of a mass hallucination and a work of pure fiction - beyond that, nothing. Economics as a 'science' isn't even funny enough to be farcical, to be perfectly honest. Economists should probably be shot so we can start over.
I'm not advocating the idea of "living off of credit" - just replacing our money with something of actual intrinsic value (like it says in the Cornerstone of American Law - the Constitution. "The Congress shall have the sole power to coin money, and no Thing but Gold or Silver may be used therefor." The Federal Reserve is patently illegal, and so is the "fiat money" we're using now.) Follow that with a revaluation of the dollar, once it's been tied to an anchor again, and working people will do well once more. Inflation has been caused by the "idea" that money is worth something, rather than the agreed-upon value of monetary units based upon their material backing. Use Gold, Silver, Platinum, Uranium - Hell, even Lead would be an improvement!
5-90
Raising the minimum wage will continue to devalue the dollar. "The value of a thing is what that thing will bring" - the more dollars you have to spend to buy the same thing you did last year, the less those dollars are worth. Raising the minimum wage only serves to make the broke more broke - they've got more dollars, true; but they're worth less.
I don't want to get started on CEO pay (or executive pay in general,) since that's fuel for another discussion. It seems that the less work you end up doing, the more you are paid. I came up the other way - the boss eats last, sleeps last, gets paid last, and gets laid last - that's part of the boss' responsibilities. I suppose it's the old non-com in me talking there, but there you have it.
Honestly, the smartest thing we could do - economically speaking - would be to start reducing the minimum wage with an eye toward eliminating it entirely (since it's little more than a government control on what the basics will cost,) and declare an effective tax holiday. Reduce the government infrastructure to where it needs significantly less funding, and also eliminate the trade deficit with the Pacific Rim. It might not hurt to do something about all the illegal immigration - all that money going on (on the last two) and nothing to very little coming back results in a drain on the economy and yet another effective devaluation of the dollar.
Take illegals from parts South - they come up here to work, make money, and don't get taxed on it (except for sales and excise taxes collected when goods are purchased.) They then send the money home to their families - but we don't get anything in return. Multiply that by the estimated 12M illegal immigrants here (from everywhere, now - not just Mexico) and you're looking at a serious outlay with no material gain.
Look at the trade deficits - mainly with the Western Pacific Rim. True, we buy from them, and they buy from us - but they don't buy anywhere near as much from us as we buy from them! Therefore, we also end up sending a boatload of money to those countries (Hong Kong, Taiwan, China, Korea, Japan, for starts) and there's relatively little coming back. Again, we are hemorrhaging money for little to no material gain, and devaluing the dollar. To correct, pass new trade agreements/regulations saying that trade with foreign nations must now be carried out on a "one-to-one" (or close to it) basis. Balanced trade would allow us to keep more dollars effectively in the United States, and slow inflation (due, again, to devaluation of the dollar by all the dollars going out and nothing coming back.)
All the trouble with inflation mainly started with the Bank Holiday of 1934(?) as carried out by FDR, and the following removal of the gold/silver "specie" standard and the establishment of the Federal Reserve. By removing the anchor to which the American Dollar was attached, we have set it adrift - with no controls. We weren't the only people to come up with the idea of "hard" money - the British Pound was originally set to the value of one pound of Sterling silver - thus, the "pound Sterling."
I don't seem to recall any monetary unit based upon any sort of resource anymore - it's all bookmarks, and about as intrinsically useful. Economists who believe they are practicing a "science" are delusional - sciences are based upon essential and immutable rules of reality, and there are no such in economics. Econ is little more than a combination of a mass hallucination and a work of pure fiction - beyond that, nothing. Economics as a 'science' isn't even funny enough to be farcical, to be perfectly honest. Economists should probably be shot so we can start over.
I'm not advocating the idea of "living off of credit" - just replacing our money with something of actual intrinsic value (like it says in the Cornerstone of American Law - the Constitution. "The Congress shall have the sole power to coin money, and no Thing but Gold or Silver may be used therefor." The Federal Reserve is patently illegal, and so is the "fiat money" we're using now.) Follow that with a revaluation of the dollar, once it's been tied to an anchor again, and working people will do well once more. Inflation has been caused by the "idea" that money is worth something, rather than the agreed-upon value of monetary units based upon their material backing. Use Gold, Silver, Platinum, Uranium - Hell, even Lead would be an improvement!
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Thats good stuff 5-90, especially the bit about economics, LMAO, I knew there was a reason I couldn't find any logic in it! Some good points though, cheers!
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Thank you. Remember - that's all from actually having no formal education in economics (and I give Econ students at school the twitching awfuls when I talk to them!) but rather from an observation of history and the patterns within, and from my own experiences as well. Education isn't the "end-all be-all" - once you learn how to learn, you don't actually NEED education, not for yourself. You'll be able to educate yourself just fine - look up the word "autodidact." (I just love that word...)
If you don't learn how to learn, you won't get anything out of education but a scrap of paper with your name on it. If you do, there's no limit to what you can learn on your own - and you're just limited by the perceptions of the rest of the world (like the fact that a two-year or four-year degree in General Education or Liberal Arts is more useful than a high school diploma. Maybe it is - now. I've run rings around GenEd students during my first quarter in college - and these yoyos were "ready" for their degrees. There was something to public education years ago - but it's wrecked now.)
There is no actual logic to economics - because it's not a science, and therefore does not conform to the rigors of actual science or logic. Since there aren't any universal premises upon which it can be based (money can, for instance, be replaced with barter - and you can get a more fair system out of it. Check Fiji,) looking at economics with an eye for logic is a waste of time and effort. Economics is about as "scientific" as religion (with a small "r" - generally speaking,) and therefore about as useful in real-world existence.
Put us back on the Gold Standard, and I might have a little more faith in economics (easy enough to do - I have none now.) Until then, economics is little more than a load of bollocks, and I shall continue to treat it as such. Little more than government-sanctioned fraud.
5-90
If you don't learn how to learn, you won't get anything out of education but a scrap of paper with your name on it. If you do, there's no limit to what you can learn on your own - and you're just limited by the perceptions of the rest of the world (like the fact that a two-year or four-year degree in General Education or Liberal Arts is more useful than a high school diploma. Maybe it is - now. I've run rings around GenEd students during my first quarter in college - and these yoyos were "ready" for their degrees. There was something to public education years ago - but it's wrecked now.)
There is no actual logic to economics - because it's not a science, and therefore does not conform to the rigors of actual science or logic. Since there aren't any universal premises upon which it can be based (money can, for instance, be replaced with barter - and you can get a more fair system out of it. Check Fiji,) looking at economics with an eye for logic is a waste of time and effort. Economics is about as "scientific" as religion (with a small "r" - generally speaking,) and therefore about as useful in real-world existence.
Put us back on the Gold Standard, and I might have a little more faith in economics (easy enough to do - I have none now.) Until then, economics is little more than a load of bollocks, and I shall continue to treat it as such. Little more than government-sanctioned fraud.
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And I'm sorry you had to go through that with the parents man, I understand what that can be like (though i could never imagine going through it myself) and i didn't mean to rehash an experience like that, but I apologize anyway.
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Actually, it wasn't trouble with my parents that caused it. My mom got divorced right around then, and didn't have useful credit. I could establish it fairly quickly then - or at least, probably get a loan that she couldn't. Therefore, we decided to emancipate me (it was easier) and let me take over vital functions - buying a house, cars, and what-have-you.
There's nothing to be really sorry for - there was no animus on any part, and it was little more than brutal pragmatism that pushed us/me into that situation. It just made it easier for me to help take care of my mum and my kid sister. There's no need for you to apologise at all!:kissyou:
I've just been through a lot, and I'm starting to talk about it again. My wife has encouraged me to open up about what has happened before. While I've still got to go close a few cruise logs, I am feeling better by doing what I've done, psychologically. Isn't that the important bit?
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There's nothing to be really sorry for - there was no animus on any part, and it was little more than brutal pragmatism that pushed us/me into that situation. It just made it easier for me to help take care of my mum and my kid sister. There's no need for you to apologise at all!:kissyou:
I've just been through a lot, and I'm starting to talk about it again. My wife has encouraged me to open up about what has happened before. While I've still got to go close a few cruise logs, I am feeling better by doing what I've done, psychologically. Isn't that the important bit?
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Then don't.summitlt said:
No way I'm reading 5 pages of, "just stick to it and things will...", replies.
5-90 said:
Prehaps, but as you said:
5-90 said:
And therefore, if people are willing to pay more for having that scrap of paper, it would appear that there is some value in having it. Regardless of one's ability to learn, I believe that generally, so long as a person cares to live in our society, the value that society places on a formal education can make the formal education worth having - regardless of any other benefits it may or may not give.
For most people, the presence of a formal education is an asset and not a liability. It seems inappropriate to suggest otherwise...
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I'm not trying to suggest that education is a liability - but I've often run into people who have "benefited" from more education than myself, and know less.
I recently tutored someone through the California High School Exit Examination - Maths section. I have to admit - I was shocked. What they're expecting kids to "master" before they graduate is little more than the math I'd worked on circa fifth grade - barely basic algebra and geometry! I'm not saying you should be able to use differential equation when you graduate primary education, but I'd think that elementary trig, Law of Sines, Law of Cosines, the Pythagorean Theorem, and a few other things should be included - as well as how to use log tables and trig tables. Hell, we weren't even allowed to have calculators in maths class when I went through, and now they're required?!? WTF, over? What do you do when the batteries go flat?
I had to retake trig recently for college (I hadn't had a course in about 15 years...) and I dug out my old trig tables. Somehow, I was able to compute answers faster using trig tables than kids using their calculators. Go figure.
I don't mean to belittle education - that's being done for me. But, as I said, a 2- to 4-year degree in "General Education" or "Liberal Arts" is roughy comparable to a high school diploma from 10-15 years ago, and I don't see the improvement. Consider further than many colleges are offering "bonehead" courses - high school refresher stuff - and recent HS graduates are taking them, and I suddenly have difficulty seeing the value of the education. It's mainly "learning by rote" and "teaching to the test" anymore - when the most common question used to be "Why?"
Did you know that it was once possible to get partial credit for a wrong anwer, based upon how you developed that answer? If your logic and support were sound, but you'd started with a flawed premise, you could get logic credit - but the incorrect premise in the beginning would be pointed out to you. How else were you supposed to learn?
Going back to that kid I tutored - he preferred working with me, as opposed to working with the HS tutors, because I made him work and think. I don't "teach to the test" - I prefer instead to teach you to think. I've trained parrots, it's not rewarding.
I can see an education being prerequisite for some jobs, but when you pass over someone who is less educated but more qualified, favouring instead someone who is more highly educated but unable to do the work, who benefits? I just don't see it.
Then again, I've spent most of my life "overqualified and undereducated," so I do tend to view the whole situation with a rather jaundiced eye.
Honestly, the "value that society places upon a formal education" has, in recent years, become falsely inflated due to the devaluation of formal primary education. Frankly, I'd like to see colleges and universities do away with "Liberal Arts" and "General Education" programmes - if you're going to go to University, I'd not think it too much to expect for you to actually learn something useful, beyond what you were supposed to have learned in primary school...
5-90
I recently tutored someone through the California High School Exit Examination - Maths section. I have to admit - I was shocked. What they're expecting kids to "master" before they graduate is little more than the math I'd worked on circa fifth grade - barely basic algebra and geometry! I'm not saying you should be able to use differential equation when you graduate primary education, but I'd think that elementary trig, Law of Sines, Law of Cosines, the Pythagorean Theorem, and a few other things should be included - as well as how to use log tables and trig tables. Hell, we weren't even allowed to have calculators in maths class when I went through, and now they're required?!? WTF, over? What do you do when the batteries go flat?
I had to retake trig recently for college (I hadn't had a course in about 15 years...) and I dug out my old trig tables. Somehow, I was able to compute answers faster using trig tables than kids using their calculators. Go figure.
I don't mean to belittle education - that's being done for me. But, as I said, a 2- to 4-year degree in "General Education" or "Liberal Arts" is roughy comparable to a high school diploma from 10-15 years ago, and I don't see the improvement. Consider further than many colleges are offering "bonehead" courses - high school refresher stuff - and recent HS graduates are taking them, and I suddenly have difficulty seeing the value of the education. It's mainly "learning by rote" and "teaching to the test" anymore - when the most common question used to be "Why?"
Did you know that it was once possible to get partial credit for a wrong anwer, based upon how you developed that answer? If your logic and support were sound, but you'd started with a flawed premise, you could get logic credit - but the incorrect premise in the beginning would be pointed out to you. How else were you supposed to learn?
Going back to that kid I tutored - he preferred working with me, as opposed to working with the HS tutors, because I made him work and think. I don't "teach to the test" - I prefer instead to teach you to think. I've trained parrots, it's not rewarding.
I can see an education being prerequisite for some jobs, but when you pass over someone who is less educated but more qualified, favouring instead someone who is more highly educated but unable to do the work, who benefits? I just don't see it.
Then again, I've spent most of my life "overqualified and undereducated," so I do tend to view the whole situation with a rather jaundiced eye.
Honestly, the "value that society places upon a formal education" has, in recent years, become falsely inflated due to the devaluation of formal primary education. Frankly, I'd like to see colleges and universities do away with "Liberal Arts" and "General Education" programmes - if you're going to go to University, I'd not think it too much to expect for you to actually learn something useful, beyond what you were supposed to have learned in primary school...
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tokymon
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quit scholl and move to alberta
what $120 a week i make $400 a day
ha ha loser
what $120 a week i make $400 a day
ha ha loser
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tokymon said:
yeah, but $400 canadian a day is like $12 USD - so you make like $60 a week
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XJ_ranger said:yeah, but $400 canadian a day is like $12 USD - so you make like $60 a week
he's not a very good crack salesman is he ?
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When laborers go for 20+ bucks an hour, Alberta's not a bad place to be, crack or not! If I was still doing what I was when I left, I'd be making 35+ an hour at straight time, plus PLENTY of OT.red91inWA said:
Summit, consider entering the trades instead of college. I did both, and until I was hurt, carpentry flat out ruled over every other job I did. Even with a graduate degree now, I still made more money in the oilfields. Trades are becoming more and more scarce as time goes on and skilled tradesmen are now commanding some big bucks depending on where you are. When the baby boomers die off in the next few years the jobs will be plentiful and tradespeople will be in high command...
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My suggestion would be a trade school, best of both worlds IMO I went to then CMTC got a degree in electromechanical technology so I can do anything from helping a friend wire some lights to programming PLCs for work. Thats where the money is up here, skilled jobs.
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5-90, we can't necessarily just say we need to equalize trade with asia and expect it to work. What we really need is to start producing stuff here in America at a price competitive to what comes from Asia and elsewhere. I think in some areas, abolishing or seriously overhauling the unions might be of benefit. Look at our auto industry. Yes, GM and Ford need to bring their quality up to compete als, but it sure would be nice if they didn't have a $2000 handicap on every car sold, just to cover the costs of health care, retirement, etc...
