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It's above the highest stock suspension (upcountry in our case, which you can claim is anything up to 2" without anyone really giving you shit for it) or below the lowest stock suspension, so you have a little more wiggle room to argue. And as long as you aren't a dick and your jeep isn't a haggard pile of crap, they just eyeball it and go "looks reasonable not gonna bother measuring" and pass you. Otherwise, you're 100% correct.

What I'm saying is that I have absolutely no idea why the station I went to passed my MJ.

hahah awesome, i think i should be able to get by, either have to find some tiny tires to borrow or buy real cheap, i wont even see my jeep for over month... so i got some time.
 
i live right on the intersection of 95/rt9. so east... in the middle ish... but im in North Carolina for at least the next month... if not 3 years :banghead:
 
Yeah, naming names is a good way to get a DOT guy sent to an inspection station.
i dont think that the dot even looks online for bad shops becasue they already know all the bad shops. a family friend of mine is now retired but was in charge of the inspectors of the inspection shops in the northeast and the vibe i got from him is they know who they all are they just dont have enough evidence/care to shut them down but the more people that go to a shop for an inspection and pass because the shop bends the rules the more evidence and pressure they get shut the place down


That's wrong sheep. From what I have read it's wheelbase x track / 2200 = max amount of mechanical modifications allowed to the vehicles suspension, either lifting or lowering it. So for an XJ it's 101.4 x 60 /2200 = 2.76" maximum. Also, the amount of lift gained from the tires cannot exceed that number for the vehicle. Cherokees came with 28's, Mike will be running 35's, so 35 -28 = 7, divide by 2 because only half of the wheel/tire is below axle centerline and BOOM, you get 3.5" from the tires.


EDIT: This is MA law, other states are different obviously. It used to be a bumper height restriction, but people were building ridiculous bumpers and slapping on tiny tires just to pass inspection, so they switched it up to the formula above.
mass law for non 4x4 is max lower or lift of 2"
https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXIV/Chapter90/Section7P

this is law specifying 4x4
http://www.lawlib.state.ma.us/source/mass/cmr/cmrtext/540CMR6.pdf

i had a document from the state that they give to the inspectors for their binders that also tells them to add an inch and round everything up but i cannot find it online
 
So the law is exactly what ken and I said then...?
can't find it online but when i called the dot a few years ago about my yj failing they sent me the sheet they send to the inspection shop that listed a bunch of vehicle models with the max height based on teh formula and stated to add an inch for manufacturing tolerances and when measuring to round down the fractions of an inch on the car so if the door height is 35.7" it is to viewed as 35". i cannot find it online but it is the glove box of my xj i think
 
The only reference to door height is for a "reconstructed" vehicle, which as far as I know means some home built redneck Camaro on a Blazer frame shit, and then it says the height of the botom of the door cannot be higher than the chassis it's built on's original door by more than the number you would get using the equation they list for maximum suspension lift. So the number I listed above is still the maximum allowable lift over the highest stock optioned suspension that Mass will allow on an XJ.
 
its always the door line to the ground as the measurement point regardless of how redneck it is

either way we are fighting over mass DOT rules which also wrote teh rules on getting a salvage title which just looking on their web site has three or four different hoops you must jump through to get one in the thre or four different FAQ section and depending on which RMV locaton you go to they will just make up their own rules
 
one thing to remember is that, at least in MA, if a state trooper feels your vehicle's modifications are beyond reasonable, he can scrape your sticker right on the spot, requiring you to go get a new inspection, regardless of the renewal date. and he can (and will) bag you again for your new sticker if he has a reason to watch out for you. he can also go to the shop that gave you the sticker and hassle the guy that signed off on it. not common, but if you give a cop a reason to make an example of you, he will.
this happened to a friend of mine a few years back who had gone a couple years with an expired sticker and eventually got bagged.
the inspector himself is liable if he passes an illegal or more importantly, dangerous, vehicle. the laws are geared more toward making sure a family of 4 isnt killed when the ball joints fail and lose a wheel on the highway, than they are at hassling Jeeps, but most laws have many uses, some more legit than others.
so if word gets out that a shop is "lenient" on lifted rigs, it means more lifted rigs will show up there. putting that inspector and his employer's livelihood and reputation on the line.
i have a good friend with a shop that has at times been mentioned on this page as "lift friendly" and he can always tell when he has been mentioned, because he gets an influx of rigs he doesnt normally see. most of them are usually total rats.
when that happens he makes a point to hand out rejection stickers just so it doesnt continue, and the "rash" doesnt return.
my point being, if you know a place to get your stickers, keep your mouth shut and keep it as your little secret. just like that trail you use that you dont want the rest of the world to find out about.
 
its always the door line to the ground as the measurement point regardless of how redneck it is

either way we are fighting over mass DOT rules which also wrote teh rules on getting a salvage title which just looking on their web site has three or four different hoops you must jump through to get one in the thre or four different FAQ section and depending on which RMV locaton you go to they will just make up their own rules

I would hardly consider this fighting over it sheep, just discussing it and trying to get the right information out there. Whatever, tomato, potato lets all grab boners, or however that expression goes...
 
if you know a place to get your stickers, keep your mouth shut and keep it as your little secret. just like that trail you use that you dont want the rest of the world to find out about.

im not looking to publicize. i get that... im trying to be able get my jeep on the road so i can get it to my duty station, it isnt exactly easy to scout out place to place when im 800 miles away and have a 4 day window home.
 
ill pass it with my special seal of approval
 
im not looking to publicize. i get that... im trying to be able get my jeep on the road so i can get it to my duty station, it isnt exactly easy to scout out place to place when im 800 miles away and have a 4 day window home.

if you are active duty military and your permanent unit is outside of your home state where you carry your registration, you may not be required to maintain a current sticker as long as you are out of your state.
that's how it was when i was stationed in Virginia years ago. i'm sure they have the same loop hole in place. local and state police cannot enforce your home state laws on you.
check the RMV website or give them a call. dont offer that the vehicle is currently in MA, then that loop hole closes quickly around your neck.
good luck and thanks for serving!
 
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