BrettM
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JeepFreak21
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- Location
- Cameron Park, CA
- Location
- San Bruno, CA.
I could care less about the box, if I want to drive something hard I'll go to the Hammers.
I do have a problem with the green sticker deal(and a few other issues). A lot of the people I've worked with over the years on trail maintenence days drive green sticker vehicle. They do all this work up there and might get shut out and that's just not right.
I think it's plot to get rid of the bikes and quads up there and eventually the rest of us.
I do have a problem with the green sticker deal(and a few other issues). A lot of the people I've worked with over the years on trail maintenence days drive green sticker vehicle. They do all this work up there and might get shut out and that's just not right.
I think it's plot to get rid of the bikes and quads up there and eventually the rest of us.
Simple Man
NAXJA Member #979
- Location
- Nevada
Don't believe everything you hear on the Pirate board.
There was a meeting held on October 3rd. I posted it up here and it only got 22 views with no replies.
The forum allowed those present to vote on different ideas on how to manage the Rubicon Trail. Everyone was given ten red stickers and ten green stickers as they signed in. Red was against, green was in favor of. There were a half dozen or so tables around the room. At each table different topics were displayed, law enforcement, resource damage, education, etc.
Each table had probably twenty ideas posted about that topic. You were allowed to stick your stickers where you wanted, thus voting on what was important to you and what was not importnat to you. With only ten yes votes and well over 100 ideas to choose from, you had to stop and really think about it. If you wanted, you could put all ten yes votes on "building a brige at Ellis Creek".
One of the topics areas revolved around Green Sticked vehicles only, Street Legal vehicles only, any vehicles, Green Stickered and Street legal only, etc.
Another area was permits and fees. Unlimited number of free permits like getting a fire permit, unlimited permits with a fee, limited number of permits, no permits but with a user fee, etc. Every option was on the board and was voted for or against.
If you would like to have your voice heard, e-mail El Dorado county. Follow the leads about the Rubicon Workshop.
ESP will post the results of the workshop on the El Dorado website in a week or two. ESP will work these results and the e-mails received in to a PROPOSED plan that will first be presented to the public on December 4th in Placerville.
Make time to be in Placerville on Dec 4th!!!!!!!
I will try to answer your questions here or feel free to e-mail me directly.
Doug Barr
Vice President - North Tahoe Trail Dusters
Director - Rubicon Trail Foundation
FOTR - Placer/Tahoe side representative
Blue Ribbon - Life member
, CA4WDC, AMA, Tread Lightly. etc.
There was a meeting held on October 3rd. I posted it up here and it only got 22 views with no replies.
The forum allowed those present to vote on different ideas on how to manage the Rubicon Trail. Everyone was given ten red stickers and ten green stickers as they signed in. Red was against, green was in favor of. There were a half dozen or so tables around the room. At each table different topics were displayed, law enforcement, resource damage, education, etc.
Each table had probably twenty ideas posted about that topic. You were allowed to stick your stickers where you wanted, thus voting on what was important to you and what was not importnat to you. With only ten yes votes and well over 100 ideas to choose from, you had to stop and really think about it. If you wanted, you could put all ten yes votes on "building a brige at Ellis Creek".
One of the topics areas revolved around Green Sticked vehicles only, Street Legal vehicles only, any vehicles, Green Stickered and Street legal only, etc.
Another area was permits and fees. Unlimited number of free permits like getting a fire permit, unlimited permits with a fee, limited number of permits, no permits but with a user fee, etc. Every option was on the board and was voted for or against.
If you would like to have your voice heard, e-mail El Dorado county. Follow the leads about the Rubicon Workshop.
ESP will post the results of the workshop on the El Dorado website in a week or two. ESP will work these results and the e-mails received in to a PROPOSED plan that will first be presented to the public on December 4th in Placerville.
Make time to be in Placerville on Dec 4th!!!!!!!
I will try to answer your questions here or feel free to e-mail me directly.
Doug Barr
Vice President - North Tahoe Trail Dusters
Director - Rubicon Trail Foundation
FOTR - Placer/Tahoe side representative
Blue Ribbon - Life member
, CA4WDC, AMA, Tread Lightly. etc.
- Location
- San Bruno, CA.
E-mails sent. I would have been there Sunday but am really ill right now. 
I plan on attending the next meeting on Dec 4th.
I plan on attending the next meeting on Dec 4th.
- Location
- Desert Beach So Cal
Simple Man said:
Thanks for the report on the organization of the meeting.
The spreading around of topics between tables, with limited votes and a greater number of issues, has become common at USFS and BLM workshops. It appears the organization assures compromise by limiting each individual to only ten (or a set number of) votes.
Down in SoCal this meeting and comment organization has almost eliminated horsemen from providing valid input in support of their shared use, as the total number of comments allowed to Horsemen Association participants are very small compared to those who oppose horses on Wilderness trails. The organizers provide thirty issues that involve horses, and only ten votes per participant, leaving the horsemen under-represented on twenty of the topics. The result is compromise by forced elimination of concerned citizen input on low priority issues.
The same comment organization has impacted valuable representation at USFS Plan Revision Workshops, where they limited individuals to votes (stickers) and also limited the topics you could vote on to only the table discussions you were assigned to. In early meetings this was revealed too late for OHV enthusiasts to spread their forces and votes around the various tables This resulted in a number of (apparently) unchallenged changes in the Regional Opportunity Spectrum assigned to areas of the forest (from Roaded Primitive to Unroaded Semi-primitive, that were used in later recommendations to justify Wild and Scenic River and designated Wilderness recommendations in the plan alternatives.
Hopefully the participation at the meetings and e-mail support will help you avoid having your message diluted? If you need any help, offer recommendations on the intended management direction priorities where you need support. We can help with comments if given a direction.
Simple Man
NAXJA Member #979
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- Nevada
This was my first time at a meeting with a limited number of votes and an abundance of choices. It seemed fair to me at the time. I do understand the horseman analogy, but how else do you get a group of 100 people to prioritize a huge list of suggestions?
My wife and I were the last ones to vote because we took our time read the choices. I gambled on a few issues and didn't vote on them because I knew they would happen anyway.
There is a second meeting in December, Saturday the fourth. Please keep the date open so you can attend and cast your vote.
As for letting you know the direction we want comments to go, I think your missing the point. I'm not going to tell you what your comment should be, Rubicon Trail Foundation is not going to tell you what your comment should be, CA4WDC is not going to tell you what your comment should be.....
We will all tell you to make your comment known. There were some no brainer suggestions on the boards: toilets, education, kiosk ideas, etc. There were a few suggestions that were running a very close vote: removing the rocks from the Little Sluice, street legal vehicles only, permeit and/or fees. What's important is that you get your opinion heard. There will be fights on certian issues as this plan takes shape.
If you would like a direction from me, I'd say head to the computer and e-mail El Dorado county about what you think should happen with the trail. Get involved, phone your friends and get them involved.
My wife and I were the last ones to vote because we took our time read the choices. I gambled on a few issues and didn't vote on them because I knew they would happen anyway.
There is a second meeting in December, Saturday the fourth. Please keep the date open so you can attend and cast your vote.
As for letting you know the direction we want comments to go, I think your missing the point. I'm not going to tell you what your comment should be, Rubicon Trail Foundation is not going to tell you what your comment should be, CA4WDC is not going to tell you what your comment should be.....
We will all tell you to make your comment known. There were some no brainer suggestions on the boards: toilets, education, kiosk ideas, etc. There were a few suggestions that were running a very close vote: removing the rocks from the Little Sluice, street legal vehicles only, permeit and/or fees. What's important is that you get your opinion heard. There will be fights on certian issues as this plan takes shape.
If you would like a direction from me, I'd say head to the computer and e-mail El Dorado county about what you think should happen with the trail. Get involved, phone your friends and get them involved.
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