Looking for a dedicated target/varmint rifle

dothedew24_7 said:
I think I found the one I want, http://www.savagearms.com/12Varminterleft.htm but, I would like to know if anyone has any experience with others in the same price range. I tried out the accu-trigger at the range on sunday and really liked it. Not to mention the accuracy of the savage. I leaning toward the 22-250 flavor as well...
Boy you are speaking right up my alley....Been around a lot of savages and for a cheaper gun you can't beat the accuracy.

Kimber just came out with a Varmint 22-250 though that I am very interested in... Only problem is the 1200 dollar suggested price.

IMO though the 22-250 is the only way to go for a first Varmint gun.
 
Savage makes a good intro varminter - it will tell you if you feel like going all the way and building your own later.

.22-250 and .22-2000 are not bad varmint rounds, and I've played with .25-06 and a little with .22-06 wildcats as well (talk about flat shooters!)

The .17HMR looks like it would be a good light-duty varminter, and I've found it quite accurate even in stock trim. Volquartsen does exceptional parts for 10/22 variant varminters, I think the only way you could do better would be to make them yourself - once and assuming you know how to machine accurately.

If you go into varminting, you will eventually get the whole bug and want to build your own varmint rifle (which is highly recommended for the serious varminter - you can't get a custom fit with a box-stock rifle!) but your plan will allow you a chance to see if you get interested in spending money on this hobby - it won't be cheap, if you get into it...

Also, get used to the idea of handloading, if you don't already!

5-90
 
IMO a good model 70 (Winchester) varment rifle is as accurate as any other out to 250 yards or so. And the difference then, is maybe half the diameter of the bullet.
Most of my experience is in .308 caliber, but I have both a model 70 (varmint) and a Mannlicher Styer sniper rifle. The Styer is deffinately a good rifle, but I´ve rarley noticed much difference between it and a model 70, until the distances get really long. Trigger groups and such are easy to come by for the 70, as are scope mounts and stocks.
A set trigger, self loaded ammo and practice are probably more important than price. Most rifles will shot better than the shooter anyway.
The model 70 is about 1/4 the price of the Styer. A little cheaper than the Ruger. A couple of hundred cheaper than the Savage. The money you save on the rifle you can add to a better scope.
Another tip, a good scope is often more important than an exotic rifle. If I had to make a choice, I´d put a thousand dollar scope on a $700 dollar rifle and shot better than somebody with a better rifle and a poorer scope.
A rifle that fits well, with a good trigger and with good optics is often more important than bull or beaded barrels and other exotic accurizing features.
You can argue my oppinions, but you´d have to prove it on the range.
I´ve never shot a 22.250, .222 remington used to be one of the more accurate rounds. but you don´t see that caliber rmuch anymore. .308 is tried and proven accurate. Think my next rifle is gonna be a .243 for varmint and occasionally for deer.
 
8Mud said:
IMO a good model 70 (Winchester) varment rifle is as accurate as any other out to 250 yards or so. And the difference then, is maybe half the diameter of the bullet.
Most of my experience is in .308 caliber, but I have both a model 70 (varmint) and a Mannlicher Styer sniper rifle. The Styer is deffinately a good rifle, but I´ve rarley noticed much difference between it and a model 70, until the distances get really long. Trigger groups and such are easy to come by for the 70, as are scope mounts and stocks.
A set trigger, self loaded ammo and practice are probably more important than price. Most rifles will shot better than the shooter anyway.
The model 70 is about 1/4 the price of the Styer. A little cheaper than the Ruger. A couple of hundred cheaper than the Savage. The money you save on the rifle you can add to a better scope.
Another tip, a good scope is often more important than an exotic rifle. If I had to make a choice, I´d put a thousand dollar scope on a $700 dollar rifle and shot better than somebody with a better rifle and a poorer scope.
A rifle that fits well, with a good trigger and with good optics is often more important than bull or beaded barrels and other exotic accurizing features.
You can argue my oppinions, but you´d have to prove it on the range.
I´ve never shot a 22.250, .222 remington used to be one of the more accurate rounds. but you don´t see that caliber rmuch anymore. .308 is tried and proven accurate. Think my next rifle is gonna be a .243 for varmint and occasionally for deer.
The only problem with a .308 is the recoil. If you are laying on a hill in the prone position and there are tons of dogs a .308 will beat the crap out of you by the end of the day.


BTW the world record bench rest group was done by a .222 They are still a wonderful gun but just a little under powered for real long range stuff.

With a 22-250 its not uncommon to shoot dogs out to around 850 yards.
 
Depends on how big the varmints are that you want to take out......my sister works for Browning and she and her husband swear by the new 17 Mach 2. The bought 2 of them and take out varmints all the time with them. I've yet to shoot the 17, but from what I've read and heard, it's a fun, accurate gun. Might be a little small for coyotes sized critters, though.

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I shoot a Remington 700 VLS 22-250.

With my handloads, it's all you could ever need in a dog rifle. It's an honest 1/2" gun all day long, clean or dirty, hot or cold.

22-250 gets annoying at the range, though. A 223 or 222 is MUCH more pleasant to shoot at the range.
 
My best friend's dad has all the reloading gear I could ever use... I have access to it as long as I find a lot of brass for his glocks (.40 and .45) on the range.

The only real upgrades I would want to do would be a heavy bull barrel and a thumbhole stock- same as the one I shot Sunday.... that is untill "I want to go bigger" :D
 
DrMoab said:
The only problem with a .308 is the recoil. If you are laying on a hill in the prone position and there are tons of dogs a .308 will beat the crap out of you by the end of the day.


BTW the world record bench rest group was done by a .222 They are still a wonderful gun but just a little under powered for real long range stuff.

With a 22-250 its not uncommon to shoot dogs out to around 850 yards.
I shot a friends 7MM magnum once from the prone, never again. Guess it´s all relavent, .308 doesn´t bruise me much. I just like it because that´s what I´ve always shot and have the ballistics indelably imprinted on the old brain. I´d like to have a lighter round with just about the same ballistics, .243 seems close.
One thing I really like about my Manlicher Styer, is the scope mount. I can change scopes, with no change in bullet strike, that I´ve ever noticed. They have a very functional quick change system. I have two, quality scopes, one low light with a radium retical and the other a ranging scope, that adjusts for bullet fall out to 850 yards. But I rarley shot at anything, over about 350-400 yards. Most of my varmint hunting is Fox, the .308 (165 grain spitzer boattail) makes a pretty neat, through and through hole and doesn´t mess up the pelt much.
 
Anything based on the .308 case is pretty good. My .243 used to be good to 500-600 on a calm day, but it's worn pretty bad and the bullet will lose stability around 500 now. Is need to peg something with a tumbling bullet though. I consider any of them an all position gun. I'll still use a rock as a pillow with a .308.

The new .204 ruger is a pretty sweet round. If your planning on doing most of your shooting at around 250 yds. and down I wouldn't hesitate buying one.

The new .17's are fun to shoot and the rounds are cheep. I would still rate them at a max of 150 yards and are a small varmit gun only.

My new gun keeps getting put off. I'm leaning heavily towards a .300 Win mag. Has the stability and speed I want to get me shooting in the 700-800 range and the 30 cal's have an almost endless bullet selection. Still haven't decided on the gun or if I'm just going to go custom with a used action. Building up from the action or starting with something like a Remington Sendero I shouldn't have a problem reworking for 1000+ if I feel the need.

Guns I think are pretty decent. I only look at semi bull barrells anymore:
Brownings - I just like my Brownings. Jeff, didn't you promise to hook me up. :D

Winchester Coyote - Shot a few boxes out of a friends .308. Not too shabby and he's ran 3000 rounds through it in the last 18 months and likes it a lot for a plinker.

Remington Sendero - Overprice last year and are no longer made this year. Big bore version of their varmit gun.

Savage with the accu trigger - Savage has always had pretty good accuracy but their actions sucked. I'm surprised how much they have cleaned them up the last few years. Not a bad gun and for the price a good buy.
 
XJEEPER said:
Depends on how big the varmints are that you want to take out......my sister works for Browning and she and her husband swear by the new 17 Mach 2. The bought 2 of them and take out varmints all the time with them. I've yet to shoot the 17, but from what I've read and heard, it's a fun, accurate gun. Might be a little small for coyotes sized critters, though.
I have a .17 HMR and its a great little gun for anything under 150 yards. Two problems though with the .17 Mach2 and ,17 HMR First is wind...bench resting my HMR at a 100 Yards it will shoot a .75 inch group with no wind. The slightest breeze will through it off two inches or more though.

Second is range. If you are shooting dogs you want something that will reach out at least 300 yards and if you are good 600-700 yards is easy with a bullet that has a little mass to it.
 
What, nobody likes the .30/338? It'll nab most any "varmint" we have on this continent (unless your hide-site overlooks a zoo)

LOL for easy shooting, and ammo "everywhere" the 223 and 243 are good choices. The .243 will get you into the deer woods too.
 
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I owned a Remington 700 in 6mm (CRS, 222?). It was great up to 300 yards (more the shooters fault beyond that) with less than 1" drop, and very fast (count the seconds between it and a 30.06 at 800 yards). It is probably the most accurate rifle I have enjoyed. It cost too much for ammo (even reloading). When I moved away from the desert I traded it back to the friend I got it from, with all the dies and extras. He still has it, but he prefers his M1 since he devoted his time to military match competitions.

I later purchased a cheap 7.62x39 SKS for close work and it is surprisingly accurate. Cheap and effective (with a fiber stock), and much less shoulder abuse. It motivated me to look for a Mini14 in 30x39, but I could not justify the cost for as little as I get to practice and use a rifle these days.

I keep thinking of purchasing a lever action 38 for similar (read cheap ammo) fun since I no longer live where stopping them there moving little critters at 200 yards is important (the critters that need stopping here are better challenged with something at close range).
 
I like the .30/338. It's just the 300 win mag provides close to the same performace without the need for a custom setup.

7mm STW is another nice caliber. Weatherby made a few rifles with that, but it was short lived. Most of the guys shooting them were getting around 4K out of a 140 gr bullet. Pretty decent patterns at 700-800 yards, but they were all custom guns.

Most of the wildcats that have gone main stream lately don't seem worth the trouble. The 300 ultra mag only shows gains in the 200 fps range over the 300 win mag. Burns around 15% more powder to accomplish that.

I've shot a few things with a 45-70 Ruger No. 1. Always afraid the little buggers will run out of the way before the bullet gets there, but there's nothing like throwing 400 gr. of destruction. I've killed a few rock chucks with rock fragments when I missed. Still hoping someone will take pitty in me and buy me that barrell for my pistol. Those things give me chills. :D
 
dothedew24_7, I should have mentioned it last night. Buy whatever makes you happy. The only guns I buy that I can't shoot 100-150 rounds a day out of are my pistols and I like them big. I don't even hesitate to dump a round out to 400 with my .243 and it's an ancient Ruger 77 with the cheapest Bushnell scope with dents made. It's way to nose light for long range shots, but I don't give a crap about that either. I like to shoot it and shoot it a lot. A little over 2500 rounds and counting. Most people shoot varmits at 150-250 yards and almost any caliber will do. When I run out of rifle shells I whip out my 14" barrelled pistol and start firing away .223's (stay away from full metal jacket shells). When those are out I beg someone else for shells or change to some 44 mag rifle shells since no pistol load is any fun.
 
Ed - Just so you know, the 6m/m should be about a .244". The .223 is generally held as either 5.56m/m or 5.6m/m, depending on who you talk to.

The SKS can be surprisingly accurage for a Com-bloc carbine - especially if you get the Hungarian, Roumanian, or Yugoslavian. The Russian isn't bad, and the Chinese works best if the barrel is plugged with cement. Forget about Wolf ammo except for plinking - get Winchester or Remington box ammo, or work on loading your own. The 7.62x39 can be a little touchy (there are fewer bullet available, but Hornady and Speer make good ones. It's not a "true" .30 calibre - it's got a groove diameter of .311" rather than .308". I do know a few people who've had good luck making hard-hitting short range rounds using .303 British projos tho!) For 7.62x39, I'd take it in a Central European SKS before a Mini-30, oddly enough. The EE SKS is more accurate than I am in most cases, and is surprisingly tolerant of ammo (using Com-bloc surplus or Wolf in a Ruger is asking for a malfunction - the lacquered cases tend to stick up hot chambers REALLY good, and brass cases are "springier" and will extrace and eject much easier. The SKS/AK is designed with steel cases in mind and therefore doesn't care whether it gets steel or brass - but the SKS and AK both tend to beat up brass pretty well. The Mini-30 doesn't, but it sometimes throws the case farther than the bullet. I probably still have notes on how to turn the SKS into a "semi-bolt" action by killing the gas system, which means that you have to manually extract the case. It ends up working like a "straight-pull" bolt action - OK if you're right-handed.)

Ed, if you're worried about two-legged varmints, might I suggest getting your levergun in .44Mag/.44Spl? The stopping power is somewhere to the right of outstanding, ammo still isn't too bad (the .44Spl is a little more than .38Spl, but offers better terminal performance) and you'll still get the proven reliability of the levergun combined with the use of a pistol calibre for a sidearm. Make sure you don't cross carbine loads with pistol loads - but if you only shoot factory ammo this won't be an issue. If you want to get carbine power in a wheelgun, look for a pre-1970 N-frame S&W, since they were built about twice as strong as they need to be.

Other fun calibres to look into is the "Whisper" series - especially if you live somewhere where you can legally own a rifle suppressor. Start by looking up the .300 Whisper, and see what you find. They were designed for short-range accuracy - I had the opportunity to try an AR-15 variant in .300W once. I was given ten rounds and told "Try it - it's a tackdriver!" Six in the 10 ring at 100 yards, with the other four used to "remote release" the target (I shot out the tacks.) Not only was the rifle capable of putting the bullet where you wanted it to go, the scope was set up right for the load, and I was pleased. I'll have to build one one of these days...

No good past about 150 yards, but it's probably the best damn subsonic rifle I've ever shot! I think he was pusing about 150 grains down somewhere around 950fps...

5-90
 
5-90, 6mm = 243, makes sense (CRS on the fly sometimes). It is a sweet rifle, better than my rusty skills.

The 44 recommendation is gaining popularity. The last month I have heard the same advice from three people (one who purchased a Winchester 44 lever action late last year). I need to go plinking with the cannon to see what it's like.

The question of what caliber to share has delayed the decision to buy a rifle, and I do not know if the wife will handle a stout wheelgun (the obvious goal). She qualified with the 9mm in the RAA and says she prefers something with similar power, and she was happy handling a 357 with 38SP loads. It seems some range practice may be in our future, testing a 357 & 44 (a date-night idea for the married folks)?
 
A 44 special might not be to bad, but I like the .357. My wife doesn't mind shooting it at all and she isn't a gun person. I shoot carbine .44 mag shells (don't try out of a revolver) out of mine for fun, but gloves are required and 15-20 rounds will do me for the day.

For just plain old fun here is one of my pistols. Mines the older version of the G2 but they are basically the same. The Encor is a larger frame for few larger calibers and can be fitted with a stock.:
http://www.tcarms.com/contpistol/index.php
http://www.tcarms.com/contpistol/caliber.php

The .45/.410 barrell is a blast to shoot all day. Clay pigeons with at pistol is very entertaining. The .223 round doesn't have much more slap than a .22LR revolver. Much louder though. With my 14" barrell I can hit a paper plate size target at 150 yards pretty regularly and that's with the crappy iron sights I have.

You guys talking about guns combined with the radical temp change around here has me all sorts of giddy about thumping some varmits.
 
Dew,
As someone who lives on the EAST side of the Mississippi and about an hour away,here,s my oppinion--
I started with a Win 70 220 Swift back in the 60s,handloads w/48 grain HPs would not exit a groundhog.Never shot much on paper as my father didn,t handload and he got them from a buddy.
After a house fire I had to start over and Yes, a new Swift,Ruger BiCentinal HBbl 26"Heavy gun to walk around with,but I was young.Next a 308 Rem 700 for deer and such.A Rem 700 6mm Varmit was added next also heavy.As the years went by most of the fields that I shot groundhogs in were growing houses and the people did not like the noise of the large rifles.I did not enjoy carrying the weight either,so a Rem ADL in 222 was added,put it in a glass stock w/a light scope glass bedded the action,lightened the trigger and 55g handloads that will stay under a dime for 5 shots,easy to carry .
A 22-250 is an OK cartrage and the Savages have a lot going for them,but here in Va,it is really too much.
I find most shots are less than 100 yds now,and spend more time getting in a safe position for a shot that shooting.
Wayne
 
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