Yeah, it's surprising you don't hear the same thing from all the Mercedes owners who have a shifter that returns to center. And, I guess, nobody uses the PARKING brake when parking anymore? That's kind of the purpose of that thing and why it's required equipment in all the states I've had to register a vehicle.
But, I think the demographic is slightly different with the Mercedes folks where they came from an era where there was actually common sense.
Yeah, it's surprising you don't hear the same thing from all the Mercedes owners who have a shifter that returns to center. And, I guess, nobody uses the PARKING brake when parking anymore? That's kind of the purpose of that thing and why it's required equipment in all the states I've had to register a vehicle.
But, I think the demographic is slightly different with the Mercedes folks where they came from an era where there was actually common sense.
If someone owns and is inside a driverless car, it runs a redlight and kills someone, who is at fault? The person in the vehicle was not in "control" nor "operating" it in any way. Who is liable in those situations and how has this not been a giant concern moving forward with all this driveless dream car nonsense.
If I am sitting in a car that is driving itself I don't want to go to jail becuase the thing didn't work correctly.
If it's like a Tesla, since that is currently in the news, and you aren't paying attention to what's going on around the car, it should sure as hell be your fault, you aren't paying attention to whats going on and you're still in control of the vehicle.
I am unsure how these things function but what is involved with taking control back from the "car" and going under manual control? What if you are paying attention, the car is supposed to stop at a stop sign, how long do you wait to over ride and go manual? What would the law on that be? Your sold a car that drives itself, if your having to be sitting there at the ready to take over in a splt second, whats the point? What if he manual over ride fails?
What if there is a total failure and the car turns full lock to the right and takes out of a bus stop of people? Who would be at fault there? Your sitting paying attention but have no time to react.
I am not looking forward to being on the road with computer controlled cars with zero accountability to anyone "driving" or producing these things.
Unless they remove the brake pedal and the ability to turn the car off, you can stop it. This problem is folks putting it in neutral and then letting it roll away. It's gained publicity because some celebrity died from it. Also, our society is looking for someone else to blame for our own mistakes.
We don't have enough details with this jeep case. There may have been a fault in the design. No reason to jump on one bandwagon or the other and make assumptions what happened. The guy may have put it in park and the shifter had a fault and slipped into nuertal. Why is the assumption he put it into N and based on what?
It's stated that this is happening in the recall and in the story I read about this specific incident.
It may be, but only because people are refusing to learn how to use it. I'm not sure how pushing in the thumb button and pushing the lever all the way forward for park and a tap to for Gear (5-1) to N to P is a complicated design. The only difference I see in this design compared to my Mercedes examples (only ones I have hands on experience with) is there is no separate button to push to put it into park but you can take a separate single action to go from any gear to park so it seems like a wash to me.
Automatic transmission shifters SHOULD be standardized, in such a way that when you move someone elses car, you cannot accidently leave it in drive. Shifters have become needlessly complicated in the name of being unique, to sell cars to women.
Should have seen be trying to drive my Parents' '06 Town and Country this past month then, XCM!
I've driven that more in the last month than I have in the last few years and every time I tried to shift it from Park into Reverse or Drive and Back, I kept reaching for a console shifter in a vehicle doesn't even have a center console instead of the van's column shifter. That said, Dad and both have done that since he bought the van, was well as the last Full Sized Chevy Van (an '87 Beauville window van) that the T&C replaced a decade ago.
My wife's '14 chrysler 300 has the same problem. We've had it replaced once already. They recalled it but imply it's the driver's fault for short stroking it. The dealer verified the problem and said there's a TSB covering it (before the recall) and it involves the shifter components. I guarantee the dealer would not of replaced it on their dime if there wasn't a physical issue.
When you push it all the way to park it only moves to neutral or reverse. You can shift 3 or 4 times before it actually engages into park.
After they replaced it it started doing it again 3-4 months later. As long as it's under voluntary recall they're going to blame users. Looking at this thread it's pretty evident their story is working yet here they are quietly replacing shifter parts.
It's also an issue that has a slow onset, at first it's intermittent and only takes one extra shift to get it up. It slowly becomes more and more common and takes more attempts to engage.
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