Jeep's Replacement for the XJ survey!

Mike the Destroyer

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Hey guys. I'm currently involved in a sponsoship project with American Specialty Vehicles (a tier-one designer/supplier/manufacturer to the auto industry) and the College for Creative Studies Transportation Design Department here in Detroit and we're working to develop some next generation ideas for vehicles with convertible tops. Since I'm an avid xj owner and user, and since I was sorely dissappointed at DC's discontinuation of the line, I want to, as my project thesis, begin design on a bigger better replacement for the xj that holds to the core values of owners like myself. What I came up with off the top of my head was simplicity, bulletproof reliability, and unmatched offroad capability/versatility. As for the convertible part, I've got some interesting ideas of how it could be implemented into such a vehicle. What I really want though, is to hear from all of you as to some very specific features and qualities you would like to see on a Jeep product for the future. Anything you want (doesn't neccessarily have to do with a roof that converts or has a sunroof etc.) that is currently not offered or offered in a single package, please feel free to voice it. I'm also happy to look at any links to things you think might be cool.

I've got to get at least 50 responses in order to complete this portion of my research so don't hold back. Also, although not essential, if you wouldn't mind leaving your name (first or full, doesn't matter) and even a picture or link to a picture of yourself to give me a better idea of who you are, that would be terrific, mmmkay? Thanks for any input you can give guys.
 
Copy the Rescue. Give it a removable top.

yer done :)

or...

Take the "bigger better" part and remove the "bigger". Bigger isn't necessarily better. One of the attributes that sets Jeep vehicles above the rest is size. Small enough to run the tighter trails. Light to enhance climbing ability.

Sure, it's nice to have lots of room, but then you could always buy a Suburban.
 
I always like the Bronco type of removable half top. I think it would go well with a 2 door version but not really with the 4 door. Right now no one is doing that. 4 Runners use to be that way and the IH Scout had the removable top but it was to the windshield. My name is Glenn that is my 84 that is my avatar. You want my mug check this out: http://home.bellsouth.net/coDataImages/p/Groups/40/40672/folders/55715/873046MeK.jpg
It's at a concert a couple years ago with my step-daughter.
 
I like the idea of the Jeep Rescue but I dont like the convertiable idea. Removable tops are cool but those automatic fold back tops that they put on cars are gay.

My name is Daryl but I dont have a picture of me on the net.
 
The XJ was in my mind one of the top 10 vehicles ever made, and the only way to truely bring it back is to make it again; plain and simple.

Change isn't always good.

It(the XJ) was directly responsible for the downsized SUV craze that we are in now. Look at the utility this vehicle has too. Capable of driving around a family of 4 with some comfort yet at the same time, it could be towing a trailer. Then you have the 4wd it has to add to it's versatility in bad weather locations. One of the greatest things that's ever happened to it was the 4.0L. Hands down I think this is definately up top with some of the greatest engines ever made(blast me for it if you want). That engine will turn over 200,000 miles in service with few probelms if any along that road. Dependability, versatility, and useablity. How convient is it to drive a huge SUV like a chebby k5 through city traffic, weaving in and out. The XJ was more than capable of doing it and still is.

I'll through in my personal experiece for what it matters. Yeah I'm only 20 now, but I remember the day my dad drove home the XJ I drive now. I was 4 years old and I thought it was one of the hottest things. A sweet steel grey paint job, 10hole rims with the "rivet" style on them too, 2 dr. roof rack etc.. I thought it was a awesome looking vehicle at age 4. Me being the only brother out of 3 that was outside got the first ride in it's shotgun seat. Of course I was little buy my Dad didn't hold back, always a peddle heavy driver he took me out and put it through it's paces while being gentle to the new vehicle too it felt real peppy and sporty. Years passed, my dad was in military, so we moved often like every year and a half. Sure enough It was always the "poor" Jeep's job to tow a trailer if we had to often from NY through mountains to Kansas or someother remote location. We did this with 5 people, lemme tell you it wasn't a great ride, but the truck got through it with no problems. That same XJ has been to Germay from which we took it through the Alps to Italy by going straight though Switzerland. Red hot brakes on the way down , no struggle at all coming up. Then we move back stateside. Live in NJ, for a few then have to go and bang out some time in South Korea, we take the Jeep again, at this point it was about 1995 and my parents rational was take the Jeep if it gets destroyed it's older of vehicles and easier to replace etc.. etc.. So we take the thing again, still to this day we are surprised nothing ever happened to it in shipping it overseas, not a thing. XJ, bangs out 2 years in Korea like nothing mind you we lived in Seoul which is the capital so this is seeing a TON of city traffic. 2 years passed and we moved back, did a little time again in NJ and my dad retired after 23 fun years in military. Now we live in NY. Now my dad driving the XJ to work for a couple years I was 14 when he started driving it to work and he was becoming a little less satisfied on how it physically looked. No rust or anything on it at all but paint was starting to fade and look like it got sunburnt. Now my dad being tighter than bark on a tree when it comes to money was like I'm paying for a house I'll drive it for two years. Now I'm 16 got my license and my dad is getting ready to trade it in for a F150, I went with him and I kept reminding my dad how great that thing has been and how I'd love to have it. Being an 88 and having a paint job that's on it's way out, not a lot of miles around 90,000 the dealership was gonna give us 1000 for it. I dont' know how buy my dad said, heck with it, i can come up with that and kept the XJ and gave it to me because nothing was ever wrong with it mechanically. He was under the thought though as it was soo old it was gonan die on me some day etc. We'll I undertook care of my "brother" and gave it a new paintjob etc.. and now and starting to go throgh adn clean parts under hood etc.. trying to restore some of original luster as it's runnign great on all orignal parts with absolutely nothing but oil changes and regular maintenance done to it. All sensors are fine never been replaced etc..

I love this damn truck, the XJ is in my heart forever. My dad questions me why I keep it and why I won't trade it in when I'm done college. I just tell him some people restore some old mustangs etc.. I want my XJ. I love the damn truck and as far as I'm concerned nothing will ever replace it unless they build the same thing, it can hae a noisy engine it can have typical Jeep vibrations etc.. but it gives it the character which I have grown to love and enjoy.


In my dead honest opinion, I think some car companies should look back at the succesful vehicles of the past and try to bring them back only with newer equipment and "better" mechanical design.
 
I think that among people who wheel XJs, the biggest single improvement would probably be a stronger frame. The unibody is a good design, but it looks like a lot of the drivers who are serious plate their frames. As far as the convertible goes, I think something closer to a full cage would be good, not just a "sport bar" like the TJs. Also, I agree on a removable hardtop instead of a folding top. Maybe an MJ-style tailgate also, I don't really like the swingout tailgate on the TJs.
Like it says over on the left, I'm Phil Weeks.
 
Yea, bring back the XJ with a full frame. A body on frame XJ would rock! :clap:

On a side note, how about stock 33s and the 5.7 HEMI since its replacing the 5.9 V8?
Oh yea, my names Aidan McAllister, sorry i dont have a picture.
 
Interesting. I would have to agree with the comments made about the Rescue. That thing is sweet. My only issue is it seems to gadgety. The thing is, the more gadgets you have (Ie cameras and other sophisticated electronics), the more fragile the whole package becomes when it comes to pounding the crap out of them and getting them wet. That's why I got my '97 xj with up-country, manual tranny and rollup windows/manual locks. As for the bigger/better statement I mentioned, I was really only referring to maximizing interior space efficiency because I wholeheartedly agree with wanting a package that can move through tight trails. My thought for a four door with a convertible roof really stems from the functionality of being able to maximize cargo capacity in a small package (like turning the rear cargo area into and open bed for tall objects). I was taking a cue from the new GMC Envoy XUV (even though it's ugly as hell) because it seems to be an interesting idea that lends itself to some kind of manual canvas top Jeep style application. Also vehicles like the Jeep Africana SEMA truck which was built from an XJ by American Expedition Vehicles are kind of inspiring to me. As far as frame strength, the new processes for unibody construction far exceed those in existence when the XJ platform was launched. Everything would be hydroformed and integrity would be maintained by fully integrated roof crossmembers/rollbars. I would definitely keep the 4.0L engine though. Anyway, keep em' coming!
 
I think a 4130 chromoly tubular frame integrated into to body and also serving as a roll cage would be really cool. Also If it could come in the rubicon package with a 4:1 241 tcase,d44 axles, NV3550 tranny,and air lockers with 4.10 gears.A hard top that would be removable in sections would be easy to remove and easy to store. There is now kind of a convertable 4x4 gap since there are no samuaris, amigo, or side kicks anymore. Peoples only choice is the wrangler. I like the wrangler and own one but a covertible XJ with a cage would interest me.
 
Lots of good ideas ... I'd like it to stay away from the Euro styling as well as avoid the Hummer look. The XJ styling was very appealling as far as I'm concerned, so to expand on it would be great.

It belongs to the Jeep family and should never be mistaken for any of the other duds on the market.

Les
 
Hmm... I've been pondering this for a bit, so here goes...

Keep the unibody idea, but go with a "doubled" frame, full boxing, or a heavier frame. The stiffness of the unibody idea was/is a contributor to the success of the XJ - with the unibody concept remaining a guiding principle in vehicle design to-day.

Retain the inline six and introduce the V8 as an option - even if it means another extension of the front clip. Owner installation of the SBChevvy is common enough it shouldn't take too much redesign work...

Axles - reintroduce the XJ with D44/D44, and lockers or LSD as an option. Go with 4-wheel disc as well.

How about a 3-speed transfer case? I'm sure it can be done, and the current 1:1 and 2.72:1 could be complemented with the inclusion of an "overdrive" gear, which would allow lower axle gearing for off-road capability and on-road usability.

Any way to do this without carpet? That would be a potentially useful deletion.

Make the belt easier to change. Cranking the P/S pump in and out is a pain.

Allow room for mounting a second alternator and/or OBA - they're on most folks' "wish list" - they don't have to come from the factory, but having mounting available would be nice. One is good, both is better.

How about a factory supercharger as an option?

Better centre console - useful drinks holders and more organised space (Mrs. 5-90's idea...)

I'd also like to see a gear-driven tcase!

Covered rear storage areas (also Mrs. 5-90)

More useful roof rack, and use something other than rubber well-nuts to retain it! Perhaps a basket like the ConFerr? (both of us)

How about airbag helpers for the springs? Standard or optional, those of us who use XJs as work trucks would just LOVE this one!

While towing capacity is a good thing, we have also considered that more thought should be given to hauling as well. Not everyone uses their XJ for towing when they take heavy loads, and you can cram a LOT of stuff into an XJ!

How about all that?

5-90
 
Split folding rear seats. Ditto on the better cupholder. I'd offer the Hemi as an option. CV driveshafts, D44's or equivalent. Go to spaceframe construction- more rigid than unibody. TOWHOOKS on all that leave the factory.
gotta go dinner is ready!!
 
On board air is an idea I've been toying with for a while. Something from the factory could be packaged in nicely and have a nice outlet/toolbox type of thing somewhere outside the vehicle. Spaceframes are damn expensive to do right. Either you compromise strength at the joints using conventional joining methods, or you spend a fortune to tool up and friction-weld everything. Unibody is really the way to go for this thing because it provides a consistently solid platform as the miles roll by. This is especially true with the technology today. Two piece top and better roof rack are also things I will be thinking about.


Anybody have preferences for placement of a full size spare?
 
FS Spare could go where it was put before, or put a tyre holder on every new XJ. DO NOT put it underneath like everyone else does - that's just a dumb idea for a terrain vehicle. "Let's expose the spare to everything the main tyres get, so it will be punctured when we need it!" Also, make the spare actually MATCH the four other tyres, and do away with the idea of a "temporary" spare. Dumb - that's why you get your "best tyre as spare" when you go get new shoes...

I envision OBA as something doable with forward and aft outlets, and it wouldn't be too much work to do a couple extra power distribution points for add-one (under the dash and in the rear quarter come to mind) with a grey-lock terminal fore and aft for jumper cables - like on tow trucks or PD vehicles. Provision for a second battery mount as well - just add cables and battery.

Spend a little money to use decent parts. Don't get cheap with wiring, and DON'T use those stupid braided ground straps!

Make all relays Bosch - ALL of them! At 30-40A rated, they'll do well. I use one for a start relay without too much trouble (I still need to look at it again so I can write it up.) Keep all the bulbs standard - 6054/1156/1157/194 for exterior.Sealed beam headlamps, or go with the Hella style conversions. None of this plastic trash... Foggy lenses just don't do it for me. Plan on using "bigger bulbs" when building the wiring.

Ditch the fuzible links for MAX fuzes, if they haven't done it already.

Go to 6x5 for the wheel lugs. That's a more standard pattern, IIRC. Stick to the 15" wheels, which give more sidewall for flexion than 16" - and tyres are a bit cheaper.

Release with 30" or 31" tyres, with fenderwells reformed to accept up to 33's before cutting. I see 33's as a practical maximum for the XJ without major modification...

Divorce the transmission cooler. ALWAYS a good idea!

Remote oil filtration and a cooler as options?

Did I miss anything this time? Just wondering... I'm sure there's more rattling around in my hat somewhere...

5-90
 
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Sorry, I just don't see that as being it - probably because I see it done to too many Mazdas & Toyotas out here, and it makes about as much sense as lowering a Yugo (which I HAVE seen done! Sick...)

Although it would be good to see the MJ brought back alongside the XJ...

5-90
 
A few small things I would love is either a popup rear window or a rolldown window. I also like the idea of the 78-96? bronco half roof. Maybe a rear tire carrier, give as much room as you can inside without make the jeep bigger. A Rubicon equivilent package would be cool. Factory 31" tires.

I also agree with keeping the unibody, it allows you to keep the center of gravity low, by making the vehicle shorter.(from frame rail to roof.)
A factory cage would be kool. And definitly keep the 4.0/aw-4 combo.

Oh and keep the "boxy" look,

My name is Hans. No pic
 
I firmly believe in bringing back the XJ,frame and heavy duty suspension would also be an excellant idea.
HOWEVER ! There is five things that really needs to be improved on that really needs to be addressed.........
MANUFACTURERS WHO CARE ABOUT THE AVERAGE CAR BUYER AND ACTUALLY LISTEN TO "ALL" CUSTOMERS.....
DEALERS WHO STAND BEHIND WHAT THEY SELL.....
MECHANICS WHO ACTUALLY KNOW HOW TO REPAIR OR DIAGNOSE A SYMPTOM ON A VEHICLE.....
SERVICE MANAGERS WHO HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT IS GOIN ON.....
PARTS PEOPLE WHO KNOW WHAT PARTS THEY ARE LOOKING FOR....
These five things are most important in my opinion.............
Opinions are like ***holes everybody has one.....................................
 
Stiffen the unibody, maintain a solid front axle (no fricken IFS!). D44s would be nice, keeping the I-6 and a V8 option would be cool. I could see taking the same basic body and enlarging it in all deminsions just a little. Rubicon Model, Laredo Model, and a bare bones (entry level) Pioneer. Enlarge the wheel wells some so you can at least get 31s on a stock suspension and a stock sye on all models.
 
Great ideas, I like the look of the rescue concept, but not the size. Stick it in a compactor. Now that you've smashed it down to size imagine a combination of the XJ short wide grille and long hood with the rescues jeep heritage look, at least those Rescue headlights, fenders should incorporate a large wheel well opening, In other words design the aftermarket into it, make it so it is easy to upgrade. Modern technology should be used in building the frame only if it makes sense. I'm thinking of the cutting edge Ford GT and Lotus Elise chassis construction techniqes that offer great strength for very little weight but I don't know how such technology would withstand the kind of mods Jeepers like to do to thier vehicles (the drilling and bolting and welding etc.) so that may not be an option. DITTO on the topless/roll cage ideas mentioned and on the Dana 44's front and rear, 31's stock, and on engine bay organization to allow space for extra equipment, and on reliablility/simplicity. In short make it look good but also design it as though you will have to work on it and wheel/get groceries in it yourself for the next 20 years.
 
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