i wonder about this.......(debate starter)

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how come "bible country" is one of the most dangerous places on the earth? if you google "bible country" you will get listings for isreal. isreal is the holiest place on earth, it is a mecca for christians, judaists, and muslims. doesnt religion for the most part preach peace, love and happiness? if peace and love is whats most important, then why do the different religions kill eachother withs suicide bombings and terrorist attacks? its simple......religion is basis of the worlds problems. if their was no such thing as religionwhat would the world be fighting over? well for one we wouldnt be in iraq...losing american citizens everyday. in fact, if religon didnt exist, their would be no such thing as a holy war...their would be no such thing as muslim radicalists (terrorists) and most of all their would so much less hate...bcuz honestly the 3 most hateful groups are : christians, judaist(jews) and muslims....not on the outside of course but on the inside...look it up and you will find out about the 1000's of years of wars and fighting between them...


so why is the holiest place on earth also one of the most violent?
 
so why is the holiest place on earth also one of the most violent?
because nobody will admit that everyone can believe what they want to believe. more wars have been fought, and more people have died throughout history over religious beliefs than all territorial or political wars. its the nutcases with the idea that they are right and everyone who doesnt agree with them needs to be blown off the face of the earth that is ruining the world. i fear for what my kids are going to grow up seeing on the news, and in the streets.

:dunno: the world is a pretty messed up place.
 
how come "bible country" is one of the most dangerous places on the earth? if you google "bible country" you will get listings for isreal. isreal is the holiest place on earth, it is a mecca for christians, judaists, and muslims. doesnt religion for the most part preach peace, love and happiness? if peace and love is whats most important, then why do the different religions kill eachother withs suicide bombings and terrorist attacks? its simple......religion is basis of the worlds problems. if their was no such thing as religionwhat would the world be fighting over? well for one we wouldnt be in iraq...losing american citizens everyday. in fact, if religon didnt exist, their would be no such thing as a holy war...their would be no such thing as muslim radicalists (terrorists) and most of all their would so much less hate...bcuz honestly the 3 most hateful groups are : christians, judaist(jews) and muslims....not on the outside of course but on the inside...look it up and you will find out about the 1000's of years of wars and fighting between them...


so why is the holiest place on earth also one of the most violent?

It's all about power,weather it's religon or politics, it's having power over people.
redeye202
 
Because the religious all have the attitude "My god can beat up your god." Personally, I think religion should be abolished. It has caused more death and destruction than any world war, disease, natural disaster, etc combined. Religion= "Killing in the name of..." Sure there are definitely some good, genuine defenders of their faith out there, but not for the most part. I was a devoted follower of Christianity for many years until I started to realize its total hypocrisy like most religions. It is a well known fact our founding fathers were firm believers in the separation of church and state and were not really religious at all. Religion is a tool designed to control, enslave, and start wars. Simple as that. I guess you can say, "Where I was once blind, now I can see."

Here's a little poem:

One by one, the young will fall, indoctrinating process growing.
Some too weak to fight at all, who controls their future?
God above, or God below, questions no one can answer.
Live the truth, or die to know, it's my agnostic vision.

Jews killing Muslims, and Christians killing Jews.
The circle is unending, and all sides always lose.
If faith is blind devotion, then death is the result.
When history is rotten, the young young and pure grow dead and cold.

I don't need a book for saving, fellowship or days of praying.
Organizing means dilution, and results in persecution.
Through it all I keep a vision, understand what I believe in.
Truth is not the faith you follow, it’s far more than you can ever know.

Religion, the burden we carry forth.
Mankind, addicted--the drug spreads on.
Paranoia eats all reason, driving their crusading mission.
Zealotry from Rome to Mecca, millions more become infected.
God cannot be mass-projected, or beaten out through forced confessions.
It’s for all of us to ponder, not for dogma’s chains to hold us down.
Wake up, and put the past where it belongs.

Just beat them back till they are gone, ‘cause their doctrines lead to misery.
They’re prophets preaching fantasy, how can they hold themselves
above the rest?

From holy birth to martyr’s death, the moral quest for life beyond.
It’s just a pipe dream for the paranoid, the empty words of holy books
will mislead all those that read.

Buried in the lines of text are the myths that feed their needs.
Born from flesh, just like all earth down below,
which came from a life form we can never know (in our present context).
Pray for a world that only God above can save?
The church is the reason why they’ve lost their way.
Crusades and Inquisitions, holy wars, Jihad,
they are the willing victims of a grand facade.

Above it all, the lies are told. The masses follow without question.
First to die, or last to go, I know my convictions.
Flesh and blood, and spirit life, the trinity of my perception.
Dead awake, or sleeping dead, we will find out in the end.
 
bottom line people dont want anything shoved down their throats people want choices and the freedom to make up there own mind. and are of the mind to fight for the right to belive in what they want.
 
bottom line people dont want anything shoved down their throats people want choices and the freedom to make up there own mind. and are of the mind to fight for the right to belive in what they want.

I understand what your saying there, but feel a little differently.

Strong people don't want anything shoved down their throats, they have the intelligence and will to know right from wrong... without needing a 'higher power' to guide them.
Thats not to say some religious people are weak, as I know quite a few Catholics, Pentecostals etc that are very smart and use religion for its direction towards good, and good alone. They don't read into the cleansings aspects of 'no homosexuals allowed' 'there is no other religion but this one' 'if you don't believe, you are wrong' they just follow because it puts a smile on their face and a direction to their life.
Sadly (in my opinion) there are others who feel the need to not only 'believe' but to convince others that they not only should believe, but that they're wrong for not believing exactly what they are preaching. Zealots, extrimists, jihadists whatever you want to call them... if you don't walk their walk, you don't deserve to walk anymore.

I was raised catholic, church every Sunday for 16years... I may attend for a Christmas mass to bring back memories, and to visit my moms site after... but I'll never follow any higher power, other than whoever decides the price of gas... they on the other hand have me by the balls.
 
I am a christian and I go to church most sundays, but I have never forced my beleifs down on anyone, nor have I hated anyone because they didnt beleive...

Abolish all religion?

How ignorant of a statement is that, just because you choose to beleive something doesnt mean that no one should beleive it nor that no one should have the choice to beleive that.

Some people like lowriders, some like lifted 4x's should one be banned because they cant agree?

Banning everything over something is just retarted...
 
it's complicated by the fact that Jews and Palestinians have been fighting over that worthless scrap of land for thousands of years. I can kind of see how the Palestinians might be pissed off. Whatever, screw you guys, I'm going fishing.
 
I am a christian and I go to church most sundays, but I have never forced my beleifs down on anyone, nor have I hated anyone because they didnt beleive...

Abolish all religion?

How ignorant of a statement is that, just because you choose to beleive something doesnt mean that no one should beleive it nor that no one should have the choice to beleive that.

Some people like lowriders, some like lifted 4x's should one be banned because they cant agree?

Banning everything over something is just retarted...

X2.
I'm Christian and I go to church most Sunday's and I don't care what the next guy believes either but to just say abolish religion is stupid. Just how do you suppose we abolish religion? Do you really think people would stop worshiping which ever God they believe in?
Also, have you thought that without religion there probably would not be a USA right now.
 
X2.
I'm Christian and I go to church most Sunday's and I don't care what the next guy believes either but to just say abolish religion is stupid. Just how do you suppose we abolish religion? Do you really think people would stop worshiping which ever God they believe in?
Also, have you thought that without religion there probably would not be a USA right now.

eh...there might be a USA. We separated from England not because of religion, but because of being taxed without representation. Yes, they originally came here b/c of religion....but its not why the US was established.
 
how come "bible country" is one of the most dangerous places on the earth? if you google "bible country" you will get listings for isreal. isreal is the holiest place on earth, it is a mecca for christians, judaists, and muslims. doesnt religion for the most part preach peace, love and happiness? if peace and love is whats most important, then why do the different religions kill eachother withs suicide bombings and terrorist attacks?
Funny how you point out these two things to say that the followers of each religion are killing each other, but if you look at what's happening in Israel, it's not Christians or Jews blowing everyone up or running people down with bulldozers; it's Muslims. If you look back through history, the land where Israel is located has been their's from the beginning. Palestine is actually the word used by the Romans to refer to Israel. Israel is just trying to keep their land. The Muslim countries over there are just trying to blow Israel off the face of the earth. Also, referring to Israel as the "mecca" for Christianity and Judaism is just kind of ignorant. Mecca is the holy land for Islam, not anyone else.
its simple......religion is basis of the worlds problems. if their was no such thing as religionwhat would the world be fighting over? well for one we wouldnt be in iraq...losing american citizens everyday. in fact, if religon didnt exist, their would be no such thing as a holy war...their would be no such thing as muslim radicalists (terrorists) and most of all their would so much less hate...bcuz honestly the 3 most hateful groups are : christians, judaist(jews) and muslims....not on the outside of course but on the inside...look it up and you will find out about the 1000's of years of wars and fighting between them...


so why is the holiest place on earth also one of the most violent?
Without religion, the world would have plenty else to fight over. We'd all still come in various colors, languages, locations, ideals, sizes, personalities, aspirations, etc. Pointing the finger at all religion is foolish. Like everyone always tries to say bout the Muslims, not all are bad, just the extremists. Yeah, well, there's gonna be retards in every belief system, be it Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, FSM, or atheist. If there were no religion, we'd likely still be in Iraq, it's not a war on Islam, it's a war to remove a dictator who had a destabilizing effect on the area and now to stabilize the country. It's a war to enforce the cease-fire signed by Saddam, to enforce the UN's right to inspect (even if the UN doesn't want to stand up for themselves). There would be no Muslim radicals, but there would still be radicals. The people who cling to hatred in their hearts will find reasons to hate no matter what.
One good thing thouh would be if there was no religion, this thread wouldn't exist...:doh: Although you'd probably find something else to demonize.

P.S. You probably already figured it out, but I am a Christian and I'm fed up with all the random attacks against Christianity, and really religion in general. You have your belief that there is nothing, I have mine that there is a God. If you're ever interested in hearing more about it, I'm happy to share, but I'm not the type to force it on you. You can believe completely differently from me, and I'll still treat you the same as anyone from my church. Ask Ecksjay, his beliefs are about the exact opposite from me, but we still get along...:cheers:
 
You can't abolish an idea.

Just like you can't abolish terrorism, another catastrophe that has its roots in religion. Maybe abolishing religion is the wrong choice of words...I want people to believe in themselves, not in some invisible force. Religion promotes a sheep-like mentality that breeds ignorance, hate, and condemnation. People need to stick to their own beliefs and keep them to themselves. Many of my core values and beliefs are based on concepts and ideas from the bible. I don't go around preaching hate and condemnation like the baptist church I was raised in. I'm not an atheist, but as a human being it is beyond my capacity to understand something that does not exist in a 3 dimensional world.

Look around the world right now...it is an utter state of chaos and has been for quite some time now. All the signs of the rapture have been here for a long time. Where is this supposed God? How much longer do the good people of Earth have to wait to be saved? When will the the death and destruction stop? The bible says that this all is suppose to happen in the "blink of an eye." If its that fast then how do you know you haven't missed it already? I got tired of waiting...If you don't believe God has turned his back on you, now is the time to start believing....
 
Just like you can't abolish terrorism, another catastrophe that has its roots in religion. Maybe abolishing religion is the wrong choice of words...I want people to believe in themselves, not in some invisible force. Religion promotes a sheep-like mentality that breeds ignorance, hate, and condemnation. People need to stick to their own beliefs and keep them to themselves. Many of my core values and beliefs are based on concepts and ideas from the bible. I don't go around preaching hate and condemnation like the baptist church I was raised in. I'm not an atheist, but as a human being it is beyond my capacity to understand something that does not exist in a 3 dimensional world.

Look around the world right now...it is an utter state of chaos and has been for quite some time now. All the signs of the rapture have been here for a long time. Where is this supposed God? How much longer do the good people of Earth have to wait to be saved? When will the the death and destruction stop? The bible says that this all is suppose to happen in the "blink of an eye." If its that fast then how do you know you haven't missed it already? I got tired of waiting...If you don't believe God has turned his back on you, now is the time to start believing....
So, you're saying you truly believed in God but then got tired of waiting for His timing? The signs have been here since 1948. Maybe not all but many. 1948, of course is when Israel was reinstated as its own sovereign nation again. I'd have to actually look things up again to go into more of the signs and whatnot, but its supposed to happen within one generation of Israel coming back. The debate lately has been over the "generation"
 
And you cant blame an entire religion for some extremist, there are nuts in every aspect of life, every race, orgin, religion all have people who twist a beleif or a lifestyle around in order to suit their needs.

Unfortunetly there are a lot of muslim extremist and the number of them is growing...

Like I said before you cant blame an entire entitee on because of the faults of the few...

Otherwise how could we stop the greenies from closing all our trails due to idiots who destroy them?
 
What will you feel when there is a war between Israel and a number of other nations
and someone by the name of Jesus comes in the picture and starts kickin A$$ and taking names and you find out its to late to be saved from the most unbelievable turmoil on earth.
You that choose not to believe should study and learn the real truth.
If you want to study something ,Try end time Prophecy.
Its being fulfilled daily.

And for those that have never heard the truth it would be an honor for me to
share it with you.
 
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