I always thought this was really dangerous, or am I an idiot?

[JnJ]

Best statement in this thread yet.

It doesn't really matter if anyone uses the pin or not, just check your equipment and actually DON'T USE IT if it looks marginal.

 

[Kittrell]

If that's true then I'm gonna make my roll cage out of 2" nylon webbing.

Wow, your special. That isn't even close to relavent............... :twak:

 

[St3mpy]

The thing I don't get is, if you do use a shackle end, then dosn't the shackle pin put stress in the middle of it's pin where it attaches to square tubing? Dosn't make much sence to me...

 

[barillms]

SPOBI​

Yes, I'm going to take mechanical advice from two guys that are the same age as my Jeep. I've been an enginner in three professions for over 30 years, one of which being mechanical. Until you get some formal background in statics and some basic geometry, don't get carried away with giving advice based on the years of experience under your belt. Do a bit of looking up catenary curves and the stresses related.

WAIT, you're an engineer - but you can't spell "ENGINEER".

 

[ECKSJAY]

The thing I don't get is, if you do use a shackle end, then dosn't the shackle pin put stress in the middle of it's pin where it attaches to square tubing? Dosn't make much sence to me...

No, simply because the hole the shackle pin goes through is the same width as the shackle opening. I've seen shackles 'egg' out, but they've always been able to unscrew and get the strap out.

And no, I don't have a doctorate in internet bullying like some of the elitists around here, but I've got plenty of experience.

 

[ECKSJAY]

WAIT, you're an engineer - but you can't spell "ENGINEER".

Internet engineers don't understand logic. Your point is invalid.

Prepare for battle, he's got a new +5 broadsword.

 

[Kittrell]

WAIT, you're an engineer - but you can't spell "ENGINEER".

Rip on the National President, your on the road to success............:roflmao:

 

[St3mpy]

No, simply because the hole the shackle pin goes through is the same width as the shackle opening. I've seen shackles 'egg' out, but they've always been able to unscrew and get the strap out.

And no, I don't have a doctorate in internet bullying like some of the elitists around here, but I've got plenty of experience.

Your design sounds better then the one I'm thinking of. The one's that I have seen have like a "tab" that sticks out, and the shackle attaches there.

 

[ECKSJAY]

Your design sounds better then the one I'm thinking of. The one's that I have seen have like a "tab" that sticks out, and the shackle attaches there.

http://www.warn.com/truck/accessories/shackle.shtml

Have done many pulls with this very one. I used the loop in receiver method before a buddy bought me this one. I like it a lot better since my straps don't get frayed on sharp edges anymore.

 

[JLane99XJ]

maybe so in the case you were using a small 3/8" hitch pin, but you can re-drill the opening to accept the larger pins..
those are either 1/2" or maybe even 5/8" i don't think you'll bend one of those unless your trying to snatch out a burried 5 ton 6x6

(my $0.02 + 9% sales tax where applicable)

 

[VegasAnthony]

Rip on the National President, your on the road to success............:roflmao:

yup that s what I was thinking

its a cheap way to do it and its been done lots of times

 

[TiRod]

What I think the oldman is saying (and I too am old ) is that the reciever in the hitch is stiff enough to load the pin in shear at the side of the hitch - but a tow strap,being full width, could load the center of the pin and create leverage, bending it. Dynamic loads from the woven tow strap can be higher with a vehicle 1000# heavier than the hitch rating - it is a trailer hitch -therefore, exceeding the yield strength could occur.

Translated to jeepermouth: it's booty fab.

Show me a hitch pin manufacturer that accepts liability for this use and advises it. I'd buy one.

 

[Fullsizexj]

seems to me that the amount of force needed to bend the pin would rip the hitch mount off the unibody first engineer that one to death :laugh3:

 

[Motornoggin]

I don't know how relevant this is, but the standard hitch pin has no rating that I know of. We sell hitches rated to 17,000 lbs and they use the very same pin that we use on our XJ hitches. I wouldn't use it as a regular attatchment, but if it get's you unstuck...use it.

 

[old_man]

OK, I didn't say it wouldn't work. I was arguing with the assumption that the yield strength of a strap around a pin is the same as the shear strength of a receiver shackle. It will we significantly less. Have I done it, yes. Did I have any option, no. Do I have a receiver shackle now, yes. I have seen many hitch pins bent, especially when hooking a chain in a receiver. I saw these growing up on the farm. I also saw one fail, no body hurt.

As for barillms, I will compare resumes any time you wish. .

 

[VegasAnthony]

As for barillms, I will compare resumes any time you wish. .

:laugh2:

 

[XJ_ranger]

WAIT, you're an engineer - but you can't spell "ENGINEER".

that just proves he is an engineer IMO...

 

[old_man]

Everybody know engineers can't spell or type.

 

[ECKSJAY]

Everybody know engineers can't spell or type.

They're great with people though.

 

[85xjwoody]

When there is this much strain on parts I try to go about it the safest way, using a shackle. I would not use just a pin in the reciever in this situation. If I were only in a minor stuck and had to use the pin in reciever I would, but it is not as safe as using the shackle. I have seen windows and trees get taken out by a flying winch cable. Straps leave marks too. Ask me how I know.:lecture:

Kim.