HF Winch

[devildog0]

Perfectly put.
No one is saying you have to buy a $1200 Warn.
However, going to a cheap knockoff to save $70 is penny-wise and dollar-foolish.

Compared the 8k warn in quadratec mag (not the cheapest in the world but all I had access to on the crapper) and its not 70 bucks its more along the lines of 300+ dollars.

 

[Roxtar]

Compared the 8k warn in quadratec mag (not the cheapest in the world but all I had access to on the crapper) and its not 70 bucks its more along the lines of 300+ dollars.

Listening (reading, in this case) is an art.
8000lb Mile Marker for $400 at 4wheel parts. (I believe that would be $70 more than the $330 HF, right?)
A real, decent, name brand, not a cheap knock off.
No, it's not a Warn but it's a big step up from HF.

 

[racer32]

Here's milemarker quality for you...This belongs to a friend of mine. He used it 4 times and it snapped the housing. I've seen pics of a handfull of MM's lately that have all done the same thing. All purchased from 4Wheel parts...

and here's a thread on pirate about how good they are:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317530&highlight=milemarker
they are just a re-stickered T-Max...

 

[Roll-over]

ouch... that looks worse than the HF bearing press!

 

[rockwerks]

Listening (reading, in this case) is an art.
8000lb Mile Marker for $400 at 4wheel parts. (I believe that would be $70 more than the $330 HF, right?)
A real, decent, name brand, not a cheap knock off.
No, it's not a Warn but it's a big step up from HF.

Yep the MM is built in china too....Hmmmm... a big brand name on it dont mean chit....step across maybe...

 

[rockwerks]

Here's milemarker quality for you...This belongs to a friend of mine. He used it 4 times and it snapped the housing. I've seen pics of a handfull of MM's lately that have all done the same thing. All purchased from 4Wheel parts...

and here's a thread on pirate about how good they are:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317530&highlight=milemarker
they are just a re-stickered T-Max...

That kinda damage will happen with any winch that is put into a bumper without enough support, ive seen it with ramsey, warn, etc. that damage is caused by the bumper flexing under the winch which puts a twist into the winch carriage and causes those cracks. 75% of the structure strength of the winch housing comes from the mounting bolts

Hell the noid houisng holding the ramseys together are small machine screws. 4 of em. your mounting plate is what holds it together. Last time I saw that happen was with a warn 12000, caused by loose hold down bolt on the back passengers side. you could watch the winch pick up on the back, it blew out the front bolt just as in the pic above.

 

[Roxtar]

Yep the MM is built in china too....Hmmmm... a big brand name on it dont mean chit....step across maybe...

I guess you're right. I'm converted.
No more Warn, RE, Rockcrawler, ARB, or Detroit shit for me.
Damn, the money I could have saved by buying all that equal quality stuff for pennies on the dollar.
Where is the thread with that awesome plumbing supply ACOS?
Gotta do a search.

 

[XJ_ranger]

Here's milemarker quality for you...This belongs to a friend of mine. He used it 4 times and it snapped the housing. I've seen pics of a handfull of MM's lately that have all done the same thing. All purchased from 4Wheel parts...

and here's a thread on pirate about how good they are:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=317530&highlight=milemarker
they are just a re-stickered T-Max...

i dont know of any part that has NEVER been broken... just cuse you can find pictures of someone esle's broken ass junk rig on the interweb doesnt mean the product is bad

Id take even a Tmax winch over a HF unit...

 

[rockwerks]

I guess you're right. I'm converted.
No more Warn, RE, Rockcrawler, ARB, or Detroit shit for me.
Damn, the money I could have saved by buying all that equal quality stuff for pennies on the dollar.
Where is the thread with that awesome plumbing supply ACOS?
Gotta do a search.

LOL :yelclap:

 

[ChuckD]

Listening (reading, in this case) is an art.
8000lb Mile Marker for $400 at 4wheel parts. (I believe that would be $70 more than the $330 HF, right?)
A real, decent, name brand, not a cheap knock off.
No, it's not a Warn but it's a big step up from HF.

The only difference I see between HF and Milemarker is 4WP advertising. Throw a couple of hot babes and you score higher reliability ratings. I think we know what you are distracted by. :confused1

As far as the Army using Milemarker winches. Have you ever heard about the lowest bidder.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=3633

I say anyone probably should stay away from either one and look at the Ramsay's. They are at leat series wound motors and not Permanent magnet.

 

[ChuckD]

i dont know of any part that has NEVER been broken... just cuse you can find pictures of someone esle's broken ass junk rig on the interweb doesnt mean the product is bad

Id take even a Tmax winch over a HF unit...

Are you sure that the T-maxes are not HF's units?

 

[maineiac]

the hf 9k is actually a 4500 lb winch says so in the specs.

4,500 Lbs. (Using Single Cable)

i am just saying that you need to treat the hf as a 4500 winch not a 9000 so you can compare the prices for the same winch here
http://www.anheuser-busch.com/images/logo_02.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7970484315&category=33653&sspagename=WDVW
these are rated 4500 dead weight single line pull that is the same as the hf , so if you look at it this way is the hf actually that good of a deal

 

[racer32]

straight from a T-Maxx dealer:

- The MM E12000 is made by T-MAX Industrial Corp. in China. The specs are very similar to our 11000. The differences are mainly cosmetic.

- The MM 8K and 9K are not made by T-MAX, and are distinctly different than the T-MAX. After looking at the specs, in my opinion, are not good quality winches.

- The T-MAX 9500 has a large motor and beefy gears and can pull far more than 9500lbs, but it is still marketed as a 9500lb winch. The higher gear ratio prevents the T-MAX 9500 from being rated more than 9500lbs.


-the T-MAX is not assembled in Australia. All mfring and assembly is done in China. This was a mis understanding by me...

The T-MAX was developed by Australians. Five years ago, they outsourced the manufacturing to China to take advantage of lower mfring costs.

The T-MAX is a quality winch at a great price. It offers much greater value than WARN, MM, and Ramsey. T-MAX specs are just as good as any of these, and T-MAX specs are even superior in multiple cases.

T-MAX was designed by Australians at an Australian company in Australia, and therefore justified as an Australian product. It's the same idea as WARN's motor made in Brazil.

Full Thread:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=249602&highlight=tmax

 

[racer32]

you guys are buying the "Wong" winches

http://www.wongswinches.com/

 

[myjeepsbigger]

Have one friend with the HF9K, another friend with a Milemarker. These winches look EXACTLY the same (internals may be an exception). Anyone have any idea who REALLY makes these? Just curious.

As far as use, both of these winches seem to have enough power, and we've never had problems with their reliability, but man are they SLOW !!! I use a XD9000i and it is at least 3-4x faster under load. It's downright painful to have to sit there and wait to rewind the cable on a MM or HF after you are finished using it.

 

[pbandj]

you guys are buying the "Wong" winches

http://www.wongswinches.com/

OH MAN- you about sent me ROTFLMAO with that one!!

about the army using the lowest bidder comment, I'm not so sure.... unless some member of the army can verify that the winches sold publicly are the same models as the ones outfitted on army vehicles, I'd lean toward the Hummer/H2 comparison... using your "brand name" or image to sell crappy downgraded versions of the real deal

 

[ChuckD]

OH MAN- you about sent me ROTFLMAO with that one!!

about the army using the lowest bidder comment, I'm not so sure.... unless some member of the army can verify that the winches sold publicly are the same models as the ones outfitted on army vehicles, I'd lean toward the Hummer/H2 comparison... using your "brand name" or image to sell crappy downgraded versions of the real deal

Look I'm in the AF, I have seen the crap the Army gets. Then half of the time they don't even get the crap that is crap. It just sits in supply for something big event. It's actually very comical on how the Army supply system works. I had tears pouring when the prior service Army guys who join the Air Guard and tell me all their field stories. Then if you want even a bigger laugh, listen to a Marine, those poor guys have even less.

 

[ChuckD]

you guys are buying the "Wong" winches

http://www.wongswinches.com/

At least their specs look better than Milemarker.

 

[ChuckD]

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[pbandj]

well that army supply stuff is a shame to hear, especially compared to what I am guessing it used to be when jeeps were first requisitioned by the army- a friend of mine has a 1942 mb flatfender military jeep with the original flat head motor, just totally stock and it is usually the rig used to get our cj's, yj's, xj's and rally cars unstuck or just plain go where they can't.... finest 4 wheel drive I've ever drove... I'll stop getting all sentimental now, guess I'll just have to put the blame where most of it's due- 8 YEARS OF CLINTON/DEMOCRATS DEFENSE DEPARTMENT CUTS!!! THAT'S why our humvees and troops weren't properly armored for the Iraqi war, not donald rumsfield or bush!