Heads up for those Out-of-Staters who will enjoy in a little libation in the evening

[TRNDRVR]

BYOB!!!!!!!!
Now I am not trying to promote any irresponsible behavior, but the fact of the matter is that some people are going to be doing some drinking (hopefully only) around the campfire in the evening.
With that pointed out, it has to be said that UT has some very STUPID liquor laws. 3.2% beer is all you can get at the supermarket. If you buy beer or other booze at the state run liquor stores, their liquor tax is enormous. Personally I don't know about the hard stuff, but there's a $1.00 - $1.40 per bottle tax on all the beer bought at the liquor store. I refuse to drink UT beer. :shhh:

Bottom line of this post is this, it might behoove you to stop somewhere else on you way here, or even in your home town, and stock up what you think you'll need for the week. (don't forget about me ) Of course this post is only intended for those who will want to know and appreciate this information. Use this info as you see fit. Your call!!!

This has been a friendly Public Service Announcement from a non-native Utahan who adamantly refuses to drink UT beer.

Thanks,
Dan.
PS I hope this post doesn't offend any of the moderators. That's not my intentions.

 

[Danno]

I see what you are REALLY ....

you are really trying to cadge free beer. Uh huh! Righty!

 

[TRNDRVR]

Re: I see what you are REALLY ....

you are really trying to cadge free beer. Uh huh! Righty!

:shhh:

Actually I have a friend coming in from WA. this weekend. He's bringing me 5 cases.
But I'll take an offered beer when given for this ever-so-important information.

 

[Mike in NJ]

Way ahead of you there, Loco-man.

Somewhat of a tradition for me to reserve a corner of the cargo area for the primo German stuff for evening refreshment. Besides, this year I really owe Hagen a few due to the transport "glitch" of last year's ride.

16 days till wheels-up!!!

Mike in NJ atriot:

 

[sidriptide]

i'm gonna bring some local stuff from the Berkshire Brewery and some Magic Hat too..... trade for some other local micro brews???
mike

 

[TRNDRVR]

trade for some other local micro brews???
mike

I'm game!!
But it won't be local, it will be from the NW. I prefer dark beers if you know of any that's native to your neck of the woods. What do you prefer?
Dan.

 

[sidriptide]

doesnt have to be local to maob.... the smaller companies usually have some good stuff and dont get nationwide coverage.. i dig a good pale ale myself... i'll also have a few Bass Ale stashed away too...
mike

 

[Grant]

you guys do know it's illegal to transport liquor across state lines? right? especially UT?

 

[TRNDRVR]

you guys do know it's illegal to transport liquor across state lines? right? especially UT?

You're not going to tell are you?
Actually, I couldn't see how if you live out of state that you would not be allowed to bring beer in from your home state for your own consumption. Now as far as people who live in Utah are concerned bringing in liquor from another state, I agree with your statement. But my rebuttal to that is this, they have to catch me first. EVERY beer I drink in the privacy of my own home (and at Moab) is imported from another state.

Out-of-Staters, still heed my advice, BYOB!!!!!

 

[4ward]

Dan, I've been telling folks this the whole time. Yes, it's illegal to transport alcohol across state lines. Are you gonna get popped for it? I highly doubt it.

I pretty much refuse to buy beer in UT unless I'm at an establishment. Just another reason for me to stop in CO on my way out.

 

[Kejtar]

LOL...... after this thread I can already see someBarney Pfeif sititng and waiting for XJ's to roll by him LOL....

Kejtar

 

[Grant]

There is no way in hell I will drink that swill called beer in UT.

We once had the Utah Highway Patrol stop one of the race transporter's for speeding, and the cops were interested in the cars, so the driver opened the trailer and one of the cops noticed two crates of beer we were carrying to California for a commercial shoot. The cop mentioned that he could be a prick and ticket the driver for "carrying alcohol across state lines" - a federal offence I believe. Anyway, he was not a prick, so the driver only got a ticket for speeding.

I think the reason for this is something to do with state taxes on alcohol.

I seriously doubt that the cops would charge you for bringing a few six packs in, but avoid giving them reason to stop you and you won't ever have to test the law.

Purchase your Fat Tire in CO.

 

[Jes]

I thought it was only illegal to transport alcohol across state lines if it was going to be sold? I thought it was legal if it was for personal consumption.


Jes

 

[Kejtar]

Smokey and the bandit come to mind

 

[Mike in NJ]

CHW and I had mapped out an alternate back-mesa route into Utah (SW of Grand Junction, coming out on the left bank of the Colorado at Dewey Bridge). Presumably this would avoid the revenooers lined up at the border crossing on I70 (although I have yet to see a Utah trooper on that stretch).

Of course, this depends upon the existence of at least one out of two mythical "fords" of the Dolores River. Anybody have any local knowledge about these?

If they do exist, I may add a side trip to spice up the Top of the World run.

Mike in NJ atriot:

 

[GI-John]

I'm game!!
But it won't be local, it will be from the NW. I prefer dark beers if you know of any that's native to your neck of the woods. What do you prefer?
Dan.

Moose Drool......mmm

 

[Cheropair]

Living on the KS / MO border, and I assume the CO / UT rules are the same - it is a FEDERAL offense to transport alcohol across state lines. Unless there are some local laws also applying to this, only a Federal Agent can give you problems - the local constablatory cannot enforce laws that are not theirs. Similar to local LEO's cannot enforce laws on a military base.

FYI - if there is a stop sign at your local post office, and you roll through it, the local cop does not have authority to ticket you....most people would have paid the fine and been done with it, but that was beer and pizza money to me!

As a general rule, unless you are being stupid or an A-hole, no one will give you any problems - also, be aware that possession of transported alcohol is just as bad as transporting it.....food for thought.

 

[Grant]

Mike in NJ
It is possible to travel from W CO to Moab on trail the whole way, mostly following the Kokopelli Trail but sometimes the Jeep trail deviates from the bike trail.

The area north of Dewey bridge is also a great place to explore, I love that area.

 

[4ward]

A long time ago I figured out how to travel from Montrose to Moab without touching pavement. It was a great way to get back from EJS. I only remember the begining of the trail being right before the turn off for fischer towers.

Sean

 

[Mike in NJ]

Grant - thanks much.

I should have thought about the existence of the Kokopelli. If bikes can make it across, no reason why an XJ couldn't. My topos show two fords across the Dolores, one rather close to the Dewey bridge, and another further upstream (which hooks into the trail that eventually works its way down to Rose Garden Hill).

Just to do something different, we were going to come out of GJ the morning of the 29th and take that way into Utah - the risk was that if the fords were uncrossable, then we had to backtrack pretty far to come into Utah the "normal" way. (Slight problem with the Colorado River being in the way! )

Now it seems we're just going to head straight for Slickrock that Monday and when I do some recon during that week for my scheduled Top of the World run, explore the possibilities from the left bank of the Dolores.

BTW, Joe Furlong was going to come that way last year and I was supposed to hook up with him, but we both had to back out of the trip. Since Joe has pretty much been MIA since then, haven't had a chance to compare notes.

Sean: Yup, that turn is the Onion Creek trail which goes up to Rose Garden Hill - and eventually gets to the upper ford. I'm hoping that RG isn't too beat up (it's been a few years for me), I want to take the "easy" riders from my TOW run down RG and back out to 128 along the base of Fisher Towers. Spectacular!

Two weeks from today, we're outta here!

Mike in NJ atriot: