HANDGUNS for self defense...

12 gauge
.45 ACP MANSTOPPER
K-BAR - NEVER RUNS OUT OF AMMO
Learn to use anything you can grab to defend yourself and your loved ones(pencil,keys,etc.)
Learn the basics of using your hands and feet to stop agressors (eyes,throat,nuts,knees,etc.)
 
For CQC a 12 gauge is tough to beat. You can really be a bad shot, it doesn't matter. PLUS... in a quiet house a 2AM there is the UNMISTAKABLE sound of

"chink-chink"

That alone will clear out most anyone in a hurry.

Handguns... I'm against, as in some cases they can either be stolen and WILL be used in other crimes, and perhaps against you. I'm all for the gun ownership and an NRA member, but against personal ownership of handguns. There is no need IMHO.

Besides, if DHS or BATFE want to raid your house... you sure aren't going to stop them with a handgun!
 
Rocketman said:
Handguns... I'm against, as in some cases they can either be stolen and WILL be used in other crimes, and perhaps against you. I'm all for the gun ownership and an NRA member, but against personal ownership of handguns. There is no need IMHO.
I will try to remember that next time I am around YOU when YOU need protecting in public.

How in hell could you be an NRA member and be against handgun ownership?


Can't wait to see the flaming you are going to get for that comment.
 
Not a Police officer or military, but I did grow up in a house the had at least 100 guns at all times. Dad was a collector of anything that could blow up or be shot. I have shot many firearms over the years some legal and some not. I now own multiple guns, but if i had to only own two, it would a the Remington 870 Express that i regret selling to my brother, And my Heckler & Koch .45 usp compact stainless.

The remington is just a blast for shooting clays and attaches great to the bottom of a bed, since if someone did make it all the way to your room don't do anymore then role off the side for a little cover and then come up gun a blazin. Plus i'd bet 99 of a 100 would recognize the sound of a pump action on the other side of a wall.

The .45 compact is a little small for my large hands, but it works really well of for concealment. I like the material choice becuase I don't feel guilty about having it in the Jeep or a backpack gun. thaught about a glock, but hk just seemed like a glock on steroids. Not married but I would guess that the HK would be very good for smaller hands. Plus it is designed so it can be stored cocked and not damage the gun.

Not as impressive as some other choices, but practicle and fun to shoot for hobbie.

Personally, all my guns stay unloaded and ammo seperated from the guns, I do have a hidden clip that is full for my AK-47, tracer, armor piercing, tracer, and so on for the entire clip. Wouldn't recomend the AK, you miss and you might take out someone in the next county over.

My uneeded 2 cents
Gene MJ
 
I'm not military or law enforcement, but am a fire fighter, have a brother who is a police officer, and many friends. I've had many conversations about home defence. I have a conceiled carry permit and carry a 40 cal glock on me. I have a 12 gaudge by my bed. If some one comes in my house, first is the 12 gaudge. according to my brother, the sound of the pump action on the 12 gaudge is the most effective, next to a dog. Shooting them is the last resort, but if you shoot them, kill them, and make sure they are inside your home. that way they can't sue you and win.

Just my .02 Cents
 
hologram said:
according to my brother, the sound of the pump action on the 12 gaudge is the most effective, next to a dog.

So a dog WITH a shotgun would be the ultimate defense?

Hmmmm.....

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hologram said:
I'm not military or law enforcement, but am a fire fighter, have a brother who is a police officer, and many friends. I've had many conversations about home defence. I have a conceiled carry permit and carry a 40 cal glock on me. I have a 12 gaudge by my bed. If some one comes in my house, first is the 12 gaudge. according to my brother, the sound of the pump action on the 12 gaudge is the most effective, next to a dog. Shooting them is the last resort, but if you shoot them, kill them, and make sure they are inside your home. that way they can't sue you and win.

Just my .02 Cents

Yup, there's the 'toes up knees inside the threshold' rule...'toes down, knees outside the threshold' is a no no... same as two torso hits with no powderburns and a head shot with burns... trying to be humorous but there is a certain amount of truth to where and when. Once you send that round downrange it's like words, no getting them back.
You definetly want to take a local self defense class, both for practial and legal reasons.
 
I have a Mossberg 590 12 ga. for home/camp defense.It holds 9 rounds(8 in the tube and 1 in the chamber).I keep it loaded with #4 shot at home and Hydra-Shok sabot slug rounds with a few sabot Barnes expander hollow point slugs mixed in when I'm camping in bear country.
 
When the wife and I were first married, I was often away for weeks at a time. She mentioned she was nervous about staying home alone, so I got her some handgun training. It really didin´t take very well, she is right handed and left eye dominant and never could shoot worth a darn, with a handgun. She does OK with a shotgun (though her style does look a little funny).
We lived in a split level, two families, one on the ground floor and us upstairs. She had been raped once in her youth.
To make a long story short, I put two tear gas grenades on a shelf behind the front door, told her, to toss them into the stairwell (tile and marble) shut the door, grab the phone and head for the back room, close all the doors and stick her and the babies head out the back window.
Think out of the box.
I also put a small stack of bricks on the kitchen counter, that was almost directly over the front door (into the stairwell). Covered the bricks with a cloth and put a flower pot on top. Nothing like a few bricks, to discourage somebody, trying to break in the front door.
I have a cactus collection, on most every ground floor window sill in our new place. All of my windows have some sort of limiter on them (they only open about 8-10 inches), might not stop somebody, but why make it easy.
Defence is a mind set.
I now have two small fire extiguishers (one in the foyer, one in the kitchen), that are filled with Thai hot sauce (I call them bear stoppers). Thai hot sauce, is what pepper spray should be. The tear gas grenades, got a little to old, to be trusted.
Defence in depth, numerous options.
 
Rocketman said:
For CQC a 12 gauge is tough to beat. You can really be a bad shot, it doesn't matter. PLUS... in a quiet house a 2AM there is the UNMISTAKABLE sound of

"chink-chink"

That alone will clear out most anyone in a hurry.
Ah yes, the old 'Hollywood does it so it must work' mentality. Follow the link to another thread posted above. Read my post there for my feelings on this matter. Take it for what it's worth to YOU. Hopefully you come away from it a smarter person. YMMV

Handguns... I'm against, as in some cases they can either be stolen and WILL be used in other crimes, and perhaps against you. I'm all for the gun ownership and an NRA member, but against personal ownership of handguns. There is no need IMHO.
No need? Because we defend ourselves with the ol' trusty .30-30 in the saddle holster when we go into town, right Paw? IRRESPONSIBLE PEOPLE HAVE FIREARMS STOLEN FROM THEM. Have carried a handgun for 8 years now without incident. None of them were stolen, nor was I beaten up and stripped of them. Proper training in retention prevents that can of worms from being opened. I understand we all have our opinions, so IMHO you may as well pass on the NRA membership renewal and join HCI. The NRA isn't just about long gun hunters and HOME defense, my friend. Instead of forming opinions based on 'well, people have them stolen...so there's no need to have them!', how about doing what your beloved organization does and EDUCATE GUN OWNERS?
Besides, if DHS or BATFE want to raid your house... you sure aren't going to stop them with a handgun!
Now I'm REALLY having a tough time trying to figure out which position you take.

To think of the time I spent replying to this post, I could have been taking a dump instead. Damn.
 
Ex-Air Force here, brothers cops.
If you have received phone calls where someone has verbally communicated a threat to you or family, then have the police investigate & trace the calls.
As earlier said, say nothing when they call.
Get a conceiled weapon permit. And use it!
Shoot weekly. Both you & wife. Train for close quarters firing.
Vary your daily routeen.
Be aware of your surroundings.
Have a plan.
Invest in a home security system. Not specifically a dog.
Living in fear is no way to live. Have the caller investigated.
Remember the phrase; "I feared for my life."
The optimum advantage you can hope to achieve is a kill with the 1st shot. If that fails, then knock the asailant down. A 12 gauge is a bit heavy & large for safe deployment within the confines of a home. A 45 hand gun will knock an adult man down with out fear of the bullet continuing through several walls of your home.
Automatics fire faster & reload faster than revolvers.
Double action automatics allow for a loaded chamber and improved safety.
See a local gun dealer and discuss handgun options.
Sincere regards,
K...
 
Against handguns, Hmmm, ask Dr. Susanne Gratia Hupp her opinion...
 
Rocketman said:
Handguns... I'm against, as in some cases they can either be stolen and WILL be used in other crimes, and perhaps against you. I'm all for the gun ownership and an NRA member, but against personal ownership of handguns. There is no need IMHO.
"No need"?

Where in the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States does the word "need" appear?

Besides, if DHS or BATFE want to raid your house... you sure aren't going to stop them with a handgun!
If the DHS and/or the BATFE want to raid your house, you won't stop them with a lot more than a handgun. Ask any of the surviving Branch Davidians ... if you can find one.
 
Even in our military there is no lack of leadership that will resort to excessive tactics to resolve an internal political problem, bonus protest was one biggie, both Mcarthur and Patton participated in that one as 'chiefs'. Our only hope is that there are enough 'indians' to say no if something like that ever happens again.
 
When I took my handgun self defense course the studies that they showed were that most self defense shootings that take place happen within 14 or so feet which calculates out to the person being less than one second away and that the best gun is a large caliber double action revolver using hollow point ammo. The Double action has a heavier trigger pull so you are less likey to accidentially hit the trigger, and the hollow point non full metal jacket ammo has a high frag rate which creates alot of stopping power and is less likey to penetrate walls and possibly harming innocent people in other rooms. But whatever gun you choose to defend yourself, the most important thing to to become comfortable operating it. You don't want your first time shooting it to be in the dark and in a life and death situation. You should at least take a basic shooting class to become more familiar and then shoot as often as possible
 
I really don´t get the handgun thing. Gun is a tool, personally I use the biggest hammer I can comfortably swing, if the big one breaks, I use the next smaller (or larger).
I don´t favor handguns, just because it´s to easy to miss, what your aiming at, the sight radius is a bit short for accurate/consistant shooting. But they are a handy size, to carry as a back up, for a real weapon.
Before somebody comes back, about practice and combat shooting. I haven´t missed a standard 25 meter pistol target in twenty years and most times put it in the black. I practice one handed, makes shooting with two much easier. I recently finished second, at a local combat shoot, having not fired one round in combat practice, in ten years. Some people concentrate more on style, than accuracy.
Pistols got a bad rap, in my oppinion, everytime I hear somebody talk about a concealed weapon and such, I got to shake my head and wonder. I can put a rifle round in your ear, at a couple of hundred meters. You´d never hear the round that hit you and probably would never see me firing, that to me is concealed.
To me a pistol, is a back up weapon, not the weapon of choice, for most jobs. Handy carry size, but a little light and hard to shoot, takes a lot of practice, to become proficient. Kind of like trying to drive a full sized nail, with a tack hammer.
The first hill I ran up in Vietnam, I carried an M-60, an M-14, an M-79 and a M1911, plus ammo. The second hill, I carried the M-60 and a M-1911, the M 1911 in case the 60 broke and I´d have something in my hand other than my c*ck.
More recently, I´ve gone numerous times into a thicket, looking for a wounded Boar. Try swinging a rifle quickly in a thicket when your facing a wounded 2-300 pound pig. Pistols have there place. The right hammer for the job.
 
14 years Law Enforcement.

ECKSJAY, Gil and Rich P have pretty much nailed it so I won't be repetitive.

I'm fond of Sig Sauer products. I carry a P226 9mm. for duty use, and have a P230 .380 for back-up and off duty use.

I did note a couple of things not mentioned. First, if you choose to protect the home with a shotgun, spend some time thinking about where in the home the intruder may likely be confronted by you. If you're gonna discharge a shotgun in your home, you wanna be prepared for where the buckshot is likely to go. I'd hate for a person to shoot at an intruder and have rounds go into their child's bedroom.

Secondly, I think it'd be a worthwhile investment to purchase a tactical light for either the shotgun or handgun. If you're gonna deploy it after being awakened and it's dark in the house, you'll certainly wanna know what you're shooting at.

I think you're definitely right on for wanting to bring a firearm into your home in response to recent developments. I'd feel the same way and wouldn't hesitate to go this route to help protect me and my loved ones.

Know your local laws about guns and taking deadly force against intruders/assailants.

I also agree with the statement that if you shoot, shoot 'em dead. If that means several shots, then so be it. I've already had my experience with the use of deadly force in the line of duty. I hesitated then, but never again.

Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6...... or sued by one.
 
YELLAHEEP said:
I did note a couple of things not mentioned. First, if you choose to protect the home with a shotgun, spend some time thinking about where in the home the intruder may likely be confronted by you. If you're gonna discharge a shotgun in your home, you wanna be prepared for where the buckshot is likely to go. I'd hate for a person to shoot at an intruder and have rounds go into their child's bedroom.

Right you are, my friend. Also remember the general rule of shot spreading 1" for every yard of travel. Consider the longest range inside the home...then consider that the shotgun is NOT a 'shoot from the hip, can't miss even if you're a bad shot' weapon. Hollywood sheep stuff again.
 
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