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BMX01XJ
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RocksorMud90XJ
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Im paying 2.38 a gallon for regular....... its been about that price for the past year too..........
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Root Moose said:Stop your bitch'.
~$3.13 here.
What's that Canadian? $2.38 yesterday for 87, didn't even look today. If I had a garage I'd swap this lift and axles over to my daughter's 4 cyl Wagoneer.
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$2.39-.65 depending on where your at in SW Wa or Oregon.
Nice to see that the oil companies are raking it in hand over fist, and they STILL complain.
Nice to see that the oil companies are raking it in hand over fist, and they STILL complain.
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Yeah - about $2.50 up here on average.
The difference between what Europe does with the fuel taxes and what California wants to do with fuel taxes is simple - Europe puts the money into a well-designed public transit infrastructure. You think that's going to happen here? Hell no.
Frankly, I'd like to get a phone call saying I've been reactivated, and to stop off at Travis on my way to Saudi. Pick up a case of M3A2 concussion grenades, and go, er, "renegotiate" oil prices with the OPECers. They'll probably run out of oil ministers pretty quick - but that's not my problem.
My target is $10 per barrel.
Face it - petrochemistry is the basis of modern industry - and I'm not just talking fuels. Pharmaceuticals, manufacturing, farming - it all depends on petrochemistry, and as long as world monetary units remain "off" the gold standard (or silver, or platinum, or some other non-depletable resource) we'll never get prices for anything under control.
Petroleum is the closest thing we have to a "specie" basis for currency - and it's a non-renewable and a depletable resource. And we wonder why inflation is running rampant? Duh!
Even if ethanol, methanol, and biodiesel become standard fuels, it won't help anything economically - the money will still be worthless. That's the "crux of the biscuit" - as long as the world monetary units aren't tied to anything, they'll continue drifting, and we won't get anything to settle down enough to make sense.
Follow inflation before and after 1933 - and couple that with various "industrial revolutions" that served to widen the gap between the "haves" and "have nots," and you'll see what I'm talking about. And there are people who have the raw nerve to call economics a "science." I consider it a combination of "mass hallucination," "black art," and "pure fiction" - and it will remain so until the monetary units are anchored once again.
Problem is, that will never happen. Thanks to the false sense of entitlement that has been created (indirectly) by the Human Potential Movement, no-one is willing to go through the sacrifices and struggle that will be required - albeit briefly. It would take, I estimate, two to five years to clean up the mess caused by FDR's "Bank Holiday" and inflation of currency, then OPEC won't have control over the world "economy" anymore. I'd go for it...
5-90
The difference between what Europe does with the fuel taxes and what California wants to do with fuel taxes is simple - Europe puts the money into a well-designed public transit infrastructure. You think that's going to happen here? Hell no.
Frankly, I'd like to get a phone call saying I've been reactivated, and to stop off at Travis on my way to Saudi. Pick up a case of M3A2 concussion grenades, and go, er, "renegotiate" oil prices with the OPECers. They'll probably run out of oil ministers pretty quick - but that's not my problem.
My target is $10 per barrel.
Face it - petrochemistry is the basis of modern industry - and I'm not just talking fuels. Pharmaceuticals, manufacturing, farming - it all depends on petrochemistry, and as long as world monetary units remain "off" the gold standard (or silver, or platinum, or some other non-depletable resource) we'll never get prices for anything under control.
Petroleum is the closest thing we have to a "specie" basis for currency - and it's a non-renewable and a depletable resource. And we wonder why inflation is running rampant? Duh!
Even if ethanol, methanol, and biodiesel become standard fuels, it won't help anything economically - the money will still be worthless. That's the "crux of the biscuit" - as long as the world monetary units aren't tied to anything, they'll continue drifting, and we won't get anything to settle down enough to make sense.
Follow inflation before and after 1933 - and couple that with various "industrial revolutions" that served to widen the gap between the "haves" and "have nots," and you'll see what I'm talking about. And there are people who have the raw nerve to call economics a "science." I consider it a combination of "mass hallucination," "black art," and "pure fiction" - and it will remain so until the monetary units are anchored once again.
Problem is, that will never happen. Thanks to the false sense of entitlement that has been created (indirectly) by the Human Potential Movement, no-one is willing to go through the sacrifices and struggle that will be required - albeit briefly. It would take, I estimate, two to five years to clean up the mess caused by FDR's "Bank Holiday" and inflation of currency, then OPEC won't have control over the world "economy" anymore. I'd go for it...
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Ontario, aren't those Imperial gallons?
5-90 said:
It appears as though my $2.65/gallon price earlier was off the mark by about a dime a gallon - it was up to $2.75 at the 76 station down the street from my office at lunchtime; it's usually a few cents higher by my home. Evidently this $66/barrel price has already been passed on to us.
Disagreed, apart from with California never using the funds as intended. In my experience the fuel taxes are collected and thrown back into Central Funds, at which point they go to subsidise the visit of the Peruvian One-Eyed Lesbian Single Mother Interpretative Dance Troupe. Some countries do this, true, but it's largely on a country-by-country basis. Switzerland is probably the best example, but they're (wisely) not even an EU nation.
I heartily support and endorse this effort.
Yup. And we'll never get back on it, either, because there's way too much to be made in speculation - the current oil prices being a good example of this.
old_man said:
Depends on whether he used 3.8 (US) or 4.2 (Imperial) litres to the gallon. The math sems to work out for a US gallon by my reckoning.
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Always a pleasure to read 5-90's posts.
Politicians try to tell us it is all about supply & demand. BS. Any corner gas station owner/manager/worker will tell you that business drops when gas prices go up. This is all about greed and speculation. There is no increase in production to meet this fictious demand, nor have imports increased.
I haven't driven my F-150 in 2 months. I now coordinate errands with trips to/from work to save on fuel consumption. I recall the 70's oil embargo...what a mess that was. The Kuwaitis weren't our friends then. Yea, I'm not implying they are now.
Planned obsolescence; get us to buy alternative fueled vehicles every other year...aka the Bill Gates mentality.
I could go on, but I'd just rant my pseudo paranoia.
$2.39 reg swamp water here in Colorado Springs, and going up.
Politicians try to tell us it is all about supply & demand. BS. Any corner gas station owner/manager/worker will tell you that business drops when gas prices go up. This is all about greed and speculation. There is no increase in production to meet this fictious demand, nor have imports increased.
I haven't driven my F-150 in 2 months. I now coordinate errands with trips to/from work to save on fuel consumption. I recall the 70's oil embargo...what a mess that was. The Kuwaitis weren't our friends then. Yea, I'm not implying they are now.
Planned obsolescence; get us to buy alternative fueled vehicles every other year...aka the Bill Gates mentality.
I could go on, but I'd just rant my pseudo paranoia.
$2.39 reg swamp water here in Colorado Springs, and going up.
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casm said:
That would be correct (3.8), sir.
Actually, I just did a rough calc of something like 96cents / liter * 3.85liters/galUS * 0.85 $ / metric $ - or something like that.
I was too lazy to look up the correct conversion rates (3.8x) given the value of this thread.
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viperbaron - thanks! It's always reassuring to see that someone out there agrees with my rather heavily slanted weltschanauug - comes of being a combination between autodidact, generalist, and cynic.
"Autodidact" - self-educated individual. College isn't teaching me much - just getting me the paperwork to prove the stuff I already know. In my case, it's largely like starting a logical proof with QED... I first encountered this word in a preface to one of von Daniken's works, and I like it.
"Generalist" - someone who studies any and all fields at will, to the exclusion of nothing (or, in my case, very little.)
"Cynic" - an example of this is one who asks the question "Why does Safeway need a Starbucks? (I suppose this would also be an example of an iconoclast - but the two are not far apart.)
And, I have a bad habit of doing what is rapidly becoming a sin in this country (if the Left has its way) - I tend to apply critical thinking and analysis to the things I see, rather than blindly accept the "opinions" offered to me. I place the word opinion in quote marks simply because most of the mass media opinions are put forth by people with little to no knowledge of the subject upon which they opine - which status actually denies them the privilege of holding an intelligent opinion. (I once proved this logically to my EWRT1A instructor - I am still amazed that I passed that class!) "Actors" and "Actresses" (many of which are not - and certainly cannot merit the title of "Thespian,") holding court in public on international affairs and crime control is the height of asininity, and actually thinking that many of these "atheletes" (which they are not - an athelete, in the true sense, is a physical generalist. A "decathlete" is a true athlete, a "triathlete" marginally qualifies, and basketball players and football players miss widely) hold intelligent, informed opinions - based merely upon a vastly and artifically inflated salary - is merely an indicator of wholesale intellectual decay in the post-modern world.
Yep, I spend a lot of time kicking sacred cows - and I really don't care if California - or the Left in general - like me for it. If I can make at least one person a month wake up and take notice, it's worth it.
I stand by my prior statement - if we were to return to an effective specie standard with a known and agreed-upon intrinsic value, which is itself a "permanent" resource, we would see an end to inflation, a stabilisation of world monetary units, and an end to the stranglehold placed upon the world economy by OPEC.
What's funny is the fact that I've presented Econ majors with this simple conclusion, and heard they'd later changed majors. I've even left Econ instructors standing at the head of the class, with nothing coming to mind - and the feeling of the whole damn class turning to look at me was nothing short of wonderful. (I'd not compare it to a whole group stepping forward when asking for volunteers, but it's pretty damn close.)
So, I shall continue to be me, and maybe - just maybe - I'll get enough people to wake up and realise that we'd better do something - and do it damned soon!
Thank you for listening. I will now step down off my custom-made soapbox (like it? I made it myself...)
5-90
"Autodidact" - self-educated individual. College isn't teaching me much - just getting me the paperwork to prove the stuff I already know. In my case, it's largely like starting a logical proof with QED... I first encountered this word in a preface to one of von Daniken's works, and I like it.
"Generalist" - someone who studies any and all fields at will, to the exclusion of nothing (or, in my case, very little.)
"Cynic" - an example of this is one who asks the question "Why does Safeway need a Starbucks? (I suppose this would also be an example of an iconoclast - but the two are not far apart.)
And, I have a bad habit of doing what is rapidly becoming a sin in this country (if the Left has its way) - I tend to apply critical thinking and analysis to the things I see, rather than blindly accept the "opinions" offered to me. I place the word opinion in quote marks simply because most of the mass media opinions are put forth by people with little to no knowledge of the subject upon which they opine - which status actually denies them the privilege of holding an intelligent opinion. (I once proved this logically to my EWRT1A instructor - I am still amazed that I passed that class!) "Actors" and "Actresses" (many of which are not - and certainly cannot merit the title of "Thespian,") holding court in public on international affairs and crime control is the height of asininity, and actually thinking that many of these "atheletes" (which they are not - an athelete, in the true sense, is a physical generalist. A "decathlete" is a true athlete, a "triathlete" marginally qualifies, and basketball players and football players miss widely) hold intelligent, informed opinions - based merely upon a vastly and artifically inflated salary - is merely an indicator of wholesale intellectual decay in the post-modern world.
Yep, I spend a lot of time kicking sacred cows - and I really don't care if California - or the Left in general - like me for it. If I can make at least one person a month wake up and take notice, it's worth it.
I stand by my prior statement - if we were to return to an effective specie standard with a known and agreed-upon intrinsic value, which is itself a "permanent" resource, we would see an end to inflation, a stabilisation of world monetary units, and an end to the stranglehold placed upon the world economy by OPEC.
What's funny is the fact that I've presented Econ majors with this simple conclusion, and heard they'd later changed majors. I've even left Econ instructors standing at the head of the class, with nothing coming to mind - and the feeling of the whole damn class turning to look at me was nothing short of wonderful. (I'd not compare it to a whole group stepping forward when asking for volunteers, but it's pretty damn close.)
So, I shall continue to be me, and maybe - just maybe - I'll get enough people to wake up and realise that we'd better do something - and do it damned soon!
Thank you for listening. I will now step down off my custom-made soapbox (like it? I made it myself...)
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yeah i'm ready to go out to texas, louisianna, alaska and the gulf and start shutting down some freaking oil well's. we see higher prices and think " there must be a shortage " which is sooo far from the truth. the stock market ( i think comoddities to be more specific ) has a huge effect on the price of oil.
right now every oil well, that we purchase oil from, is sucking that crap out faster than you can say " bling bling ". there is acutally an excess of oil flowing through this country because of the higher prices. when oil prices are low,,production goes down because let's face it,, who would want to sell oil at $10 a barrel when you can wait and get $65 if you create a shortage or the stock market send's it higher.
if you owned all the willy's ever made, why sell the very first willy's ever made for $200 when, if you sit on it, you'll get so much more from the right person, and when you find them,,you sell them ALL for the higher price.
supply and demand do play a part in it but not as much as you think...
right now every oil well, that we purchase oil from, is sucking that crap out faster than you can say " bling bling ". there is acutally an excess of oil flowing through this country because of the higher prices. when oil prices are low,,production goes down because let's face it,, who would want to sell oil at $10 a barrel when you can wait and get $65 if you create a shortage or the stock market send's it higher.
if you owned all the willy's ever made, why sell the very first willy's ever made for $200 when, if you sit on it, you'll get so much more from the right person, and when you find them,,you sell them ALL for the higher price.
supply and demand do play a part in it but not as much as you think...
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5-90 said:
He's not the only one - I thoroughly enjoy the steady stream of logic eminating from your posts. It's a welcome relief from the idiocy one encounters in the usual media places.
5-90 said:
I don't know what your major is (or is it majors, as you're part generalist?), but you sound a bit like an engineer to me.
I frequently look at things and wonder, "that doesn't make much sense! they should <etc>". Unfortunately, even at age 30 I have seen enough to know that thinking logically is often a critical flaw in attempting to understand government or the liberal left.
Feel free to hop onto that soap box any time you want.
Rob
P.S. Now, anybody got any ideas on how to arrange to replace the next Presidential debate moderator with 5-90? I'd buy tickets to see that.
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Rob Mayercik said:
Where do I sign up? Two please.
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Major? Right now I'm a triple - Tool & Die Maker, Engine Performance, and Engine Machining. When I finish these three, we're going to unass California (probalby be in Flagstaff) and I go into Mechanical Engineering. I've always been a bit of an engineer - I like knowing how things work - but it's been either what I've been able to teach myself from books, teach myself on the job, or just figure out from breaking things. Intuition isn't too bad, but I could use some more formal know-how.
Hmmm - moderating a Presidential debate? I've not watched too many lately, but I think I'd change the format to more of a "cross-examination" than a regular debate - with my intent being to tear these clowns to bits. Gimme half a chance - I'll find out what you're really made of! You should see me when I have to do "mock trials" for school - I don't miss anything, and "heartless" is usually a good word for my personality when I get started. Three years of debate and extemporaneous speaking in high school - I've gotten pretty good at ripping people apart when I want to see what they're thinking, and I could probably get these people to start biting themselves in the back of the neck...
"Debate" topic? Be ready for anything - I'm going to smoke you people out!
5-90
Hmmm - moderating a Presidential debate? I've not watched too many lately, but I think I'd change the format to more of a "cross-examination" than a regular debate - with my intent being to tear these clowns to bits. Gimme half a chance - I'll find out what you're really made of! You should see me when I have to do "mock trials" for school - I don't miss anything, and "heartless" is usually a good word for my personality when I get started. Three years of debate and extemporaneous speaking in high school - I've gotten pretty good at ripping people apart when I want to see what they're thinking, and I could probably get these people to start biting themselves in the back of the neck...
"Debate" topic? Be ready for anything - I'm going to smoke you people out!
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