Future of eminent domain

It's already started in this country.

On a semi-related note, I heard an alarming statistic yesterday about China: There is a huge migrant worker population in China. People roaming around the country, looking for jobs at various construction sites. Here's the thing...there are nearly 300 MILLION doing this. That's right, imagine the entire population of this country looking for work. Scary.

-----Matt-----
 
it has already started. Here in OHio a municipality took land from homeowners and gave it to a developer.
The reason: THe newer upscale homes would have more tax value, and that was the benefit to the community.
Never mind the people that had been living there for 30 years.
 
The goverment is the only one that can (legally) enforce their rules at the point of a gun. We have the ballot box, any public official who doesn't stand up for private property rights should be put out of office. No matter what other good works he/she is credited with.


Without private property rights what good are the other rights?
 
87manche said:
it has already started. Here in OHio a municipality took land from homeowners and gave it to a developer.
The reason: THe newer upscale homes would have more tax value, and that was the benefit to the community.
Never mind the people that had been living there for 30 years.

Similar to the now notorious case in New London, CT, which went to the supreme court, though this land was taken not for more homes, but for hotels and other high-revenue businesses. This may backfire, though, because the action and the judgment were so egregious that many municipalities have moved to bar that kind of taking by statute. I hope that the backlash deters any developers from actually taking up the job, or bankrupts those who do.
 
Matthew Currie said:
Similar to the now notorious case in New London, CT, which went to the supreme court, though this land was taken not for more homes, but for hotels and other high-revenue businesses. This may backfire, though, because the action and the judgment were so egregious that many municipalities have moved to bar that kind of taking by statute. I hope that the backlash deters any developers from actually taking up the job, or bankrupts those who do.

Read all about it. :)

http://www.freestarmedia.com/
 
87manche said:
it has already started. Here in OHio a municipality took land from homeowners and gave it to a developer.
The reason: THe newer upscale homes would have more tax value, and that was the benefit to the community.
Never mind the people that had been living there for 30 years.


Ironicly, only two state have specific laws against it. Illinois, and strangely enough California.
 
Beej said:
I clicked that link and within seconds firefox shutdown and my bookmarks all dissappeared. Anyone else have that happen?


Goverment trying to squelch the information hiway, no doubt (ha).

Not going to try it now. I'd never be able to replace all my bookmarks.
 
w_howey said:
Ironicly, only two state have specific laws against it. Illinois, and strangely enough California.
In California they orchestrate the ordanances, the *public* lands and the zoning regulations, really well. What they pull is often unbelievable. Much of what they pull, takes ten years or more to bear fruit, but often makes many people really rich. They don't get it by immenant domain they get it the good old fashioned crooked way. Politicians, developers and investors operating as a group.
I wonder sometimes if the environemntalist and the developers are working together. The environmentalists seem to be able to work the system to get many private lands purchased by the state, then set aside as a nature preserves or whatever, that invariable end up in the hands of developers. Kind of like slow poison. I've seen it happen too many times to be an accident. There are some really brite and morally questionable people out there, with money to invest that can wait years to make a big killing. They use zoning changes like a big club, when your taxes go up a thousand percent because of a zoning change, many people are tempted to sell.
I've often wondered if many of the big fires in Southern California weren't set by the developers. Back in the old days, after a burn, the status of the land would often change and developers had a chance at a grab. The same thing when the titles change hands, from the private to the State, County, Municipality or whatever. every time the titles change hands, the developers have a chance at a land grab.
I've also often thought one reason the developers, the environmentalists, the politicians and others dislike four wheelers so much. Something that kind of sprung into the old grey matter, was they don't want a group of reasonably intelligent witnesses to what is going on, four wheelers have a tendancy to visit out of the way places on a regular basis, places Joe citizen is hardly aware of (until it's a golf course). The fewer witnesses the fewer questions.
 
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Check out the story of The Land Between The Lakes in Kentucky. Government sponsored arson and bulldozers. When they target a small community, there is no press. It goes unnoticed and is labeled "progress". TVA profitted from the initial action, then the State reaped the benefit of the final confiscation of the homes of these landowners. It's a long read and kind of depressing, but it's a good wake up call.

http://home.earthlink.net/~tsjay49/david_nickell.html

I have gained a new respect for the Land down there after reading this.
 
8Mud said:
... I wonder sometimes if the environemntalist and the developers are working together. The environmentalists seem to be able to work the system to get many private lands purchased by the state, then set aside as a nature preserves or whatever, that invariable end up in the hands of developers. ...

Got any examples of this?
 
Whole big bunches of land on the North side of the Santa Monica mountain divide. Between say Tarzana (Encino) on the east edge (from Encino east clear to Beverly Hills was mostly County lands) west clear to Malibu canyon and beyond was mostly Indian Land and the old Wriggly holdings. The County was trying to consolidate it into one big block. but much of it ended up as State lands (Especially on the South side of the divide). The Wriggly's used to own much of everything between Topanga and Malibu canyons. The County was steadily pressuring them for the land (with support from environmental groups), you don't have to be poor to be pressured, supposedly to be set aside as a bird sanctuary or something like that. If there are any birds up there, they are likely in somebodies back yard, or picking up bread crumbs in a parking lot now.
I had a permit to hunt Coyotes up there and had to know what belonged to whom and have permission to hunt private property. On State lands there was no hunting except for an occasioanl bow season, Coyotes were poisoned.
Maybe the environmentalists had the best of intentions, but once the land started changing hands, it was just a matter of time before it ended up in the wrong hands.
The Santa Monica State park (today) and Mailibu State Park, is just a small portion of the whole thing.
I've actually seen the same thing happen in the high desert side of the San Bernadinos. They chase everybody out, supposedly to protect the Tortuse or something, then Kaiser mining or somebody moves in and digs big mother holes all over the place.
When I left So.Cal there were trying the same tactic with Little Tajunga Canyon. They somehow got permission for a little Village in the Canyon, with some kind of association with the Boy Scouts of America (back to nature type thing). The last time I looked it was a big hunking industrial park.
Maybe the environmentalist, are/used to be gullible. Maybe it's just plain old political horse trading, you help me with my plans and I'll help you with yours, type thing. Wheeling and dealing way out of my class.
All I know for sure is that No Stopping signs would go up all over the place, then gates on all non major roads. Kind of an exclussion area (offroaders included). Then you'd read in the paper about there alturistic plans for the area, wildlife protection area or something. And after a suitable period of mouring (for the loss of some really beatiful country), how it was all for the best, because it will create jobs.
 
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Ironmen77 said:
Goverment trying to squelch the information hiway, no doubt (ha).

Not going to try it now. I'd never be able to replace all my bookmarks.
copy the file and keep it backed up.
 
Beej said:
I clicked that link and within seconds firefox shutdown and my bookmarks all dissappeared. Anyone else have that happen?
If its the same thing that happened to me then Firefox probably changed profile on you.

see if you can go to Start, Run

(copy and paste this) firefox.exe -profilemanager

Then I think it should let you switch to the right profile there. Also make sure you don't have your browser open when ya do it. I just tried it again and yeah I have Default and Default user in there.
 
Ramsey said:
copy the file and keep it backed up.
x2! I backup personal data weekly and do a full system (bootable) backup monthly. Have my whole system saved to 3 different hard drives. Can swap HD's and be back in full swing in 5 minutes in case of fatal crash. Even saves personal settings on installed software!:gee:

And for "on topic" many states are working on measures to prevent this type of land theft.
 
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