Economic stimulus naysaysers!

And yet you guys will be the first to use these same unemployment statistics when they are rising to say things are getting worse, so you can blame Obama!

Forget I mentioned the good news.
 
By the way the Freddy Mac stock I bought recently doubled in after hours trading today, when they announced a 3/4 billion dollar profit after the market closed, profit in the second quarter, enough to pay most of the US treasury's 1.1 billion dollar dividend on the preferred shares it bought last year. First profit in 2 years.

So they and AIG are coming back from zombie status

Here are more exact numbers than mine above:
"Government-controlled Freddie Mac reported second-quarter net income of $768 million, compared with a $9.9 billion loss in the first quarter and a $821 million deficit in the period a year ago.After payments of $1.1 billion in preferred stock dividends to the U.S. Treasury, Freddie Mac had a net loss of 11 cents per diluted common share.
For the first quarter in four, Freddie Mac said it would not need a capital injection from the U.S. Treasury to maintain its business of providing credit for U.S. housing."



XJjeeper, just read the rest of your last post. Nice post, good details, except for the inflated :laugh: first statement!



So sorta ignore my last post, it was meant more for those saying the latest data is meaningless. The UE trend has been falling long term since March, but this was the first time the net number reversed (and it did it by .6% versus last month), which is significant mainly because the large reduced number of people layed off last week and last month was a major factor (Perhaps the major factor) in the drop in the UE number, not just changes in those actively looking for work, or collecting benefits, etc.

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Here is a good analysis of the news effect:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_economy

"A net total of 247,000 jobs were lost last month, the fewest in a year and a drastic improvement from the 443,000 that vanished in June"

It also goes on to say part of the drop is from people who stopped looking for work, but that does not change the fact that the lost jobs number was around 760,000 /month earlier this year, and now it is down to 247,000.

"Yet the improvements in July could give some businesses the confidence to hire again — or at least not to lay off more workers. And consumers, less anxious about losing jobs, could respond by spending more freely. Goes on to say:
"If people and companies think the worst is behind them — and it probably is — their confidence will be restored," said Richard Yamarone, economist at Argus Research. "That confidence can feed on itself."



Here is another good answer:
"A Labor Department report out this morning found that employees cut 247,000 jobs in July. While this was relatively good news – it represented the fewest lost jobs in a year – it still meant nearly 250,000 jobs lost for the month. Yet the unemployment rate actually fell, from 9.5 to 9.4 percent.

Which may leave one asking: Why did the unemployment rate fall even as more jobs were lost?

The short answer is that the labor force shrunk. David Wyss, chief economist for Standard & Poor's, suggested that students who had been looking for summer jobs essentially gave up, moving them out of the category of unemployed. (They were no longer looking for work, after all.)"



From:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/08/07/business/econwatch/entry5224352.shtml
 
Maybe he just likes to be naked.
 
"A net total of 247,000 jobs were lost last month, the fewest in a year and a drastic improvement from the 443,000 that vanished in June"

If you add up all the jobs lost since things started to wobble last October, it would only stand to reason that the numbers would have to fall, as there aren't many jobs left to lose. A particular job, or function or position, can only be lost once. Then it's gone, not to be lost again. We need to get back to a dynamic economy, where success breeds success, and get away from waiting to see what Uncle Sugar will do for us.
Instead of 'cash' for my old car, how about a tax break (it's MY money anyway), so I could buy more tools and supplies to keep my clunker running (self reliance- how horrible), or I need a new TV- let me stimulate Best Buy instead of a car dealer.
Hopefully, in a little over three years from now, we can rid ourselves of Hope and Change, and get back to real substance, instead of hollow promises.
 
Reuters

US food stamp list tops 34 million for first time

08.06.09, 11:26 AM EDT
FOODSTAMPS/USA:US food stamp list tops 34 million for first time



WASHINGTON (Reuters) - For the first time, more than 34 million Americans received food stamps, which help poor people buy groceries, government figures said on Thursday, a sign of the longest and one of the deepest recessions since the Great Depression
Enrollment surged by 2 percent to reach a record 34.4 million people, or one in nine Americans, in May, the latest month for which figures are available.

It was the sixth month in a row that enrollment set a record. Every state recorded a gain in participation from April. Florida had the largest increase at 4.2 percent.
Food stamp enrollment is highest during times of economic stress. The U.S. unemployment rate of 9.5 percent is the highest in 26 years.
Average benefit was $133.65 in May per person. The economic stimulus package enacted earlier this year included a temporary increase in food stamp benefits of $80 a month for a family of four.




Food stamp enrollment
Month Total
May 34.409 million
April 33.758 million
March 33.157 million
February 32.556 million
January 32.205 million
December 2008 31.784 million
November 2008 31.097 million
October 2008 31.050 million
September 2008 31.586 million (Reporting by Charles Abbott; Editing by Lisa Shumaker)
Copyright 2009 Reuters, Click for Restriction

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net 250,000 people lost jobs in the last quarter and you are dancing naked in the streets

something is wrong with you son

Son, :twak:, actually they call me Pops here at home! LOL.

It's not the number so as much as the direction of the numbers which has dropped at a very rapid rate lately, dropped by like 2/3rds from the January/March peaks. Also you need to realize that some people loose jobs every month, even in the best booms, best of times, so a number like 250,000 is not unusual even in boom times. Now all we need is for that number to stay low, like around 200,000 while the number of new jobs created starts to rise, thus increasing the total number of jobs.
 
If you add up all the jobs lost since things started to wobble last October, it would only stand to reason that the numbers would have to fall, as there aren't many jobs left to lose. A particular job, or function or position, can only be lost once. Then it's gone, not to be lost again. We need to get back to a dynamic economy, where success breeds success, and get away from waiting to see what Uncle Sugar will do for us.
Instead of 'cash' for my old car, how about a tax break (it's MY money anyway), so I could buy more tools and supplies to keep my clunker running (self reliance- how horrible), or I need a new TV- let me stimulate Best Buy instead of a car dealer.
Hopefully, in a little over three years from now, we can rid ourselves of Hope and Change, and get back to real substance, instead of hollow promises.

Yah, the last 8 years with GWB was a real US success story, Great Depression Number 2, 2 wars, and so on. Oh, and by the way, the "wobble" as you so quaintly called it, started long before last October.

And no sir, the numbers could have continued to rise, easily to a million a month, unabated for some time longer, until it hit 25% or worse. Sorry your math just not add up.
 
Food stamp enrollment
Month Total
May 2009 - 34.409 million

September 2008 - 31.586 million

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When you cut out all the fan fare, and rhetoric, these numbers surprised me. Interesting post. I would have expected a much larger increase, but I guess unemployment and UE Compensation is where the real big numbers are.

[(34.409 -31.586)/31.586] *100% = an 8.94% increase

While unemployment has nearly doubled in about a year.

Out of curiosity what was the number 2.5 years ago (or 6 years ago) when the Republicans still controlled the Congress and White house?
 
Oh, and by the way, the "wobble" as you so quaintly called it, started long before last October.

You're absolutely correct. Who took over Congress in '06? Good thing they brought us those lower gas prices like they campaigned on....oh wait, they didn't.:D
 
First let's look at the Fannie Mae stock thing......great that you are profiting from a government-run institution which is now asking the Treasury for more money because it's loosing money still.....so how is it that your stocks went up, when Fannie and Freddie are on the take and still loosing money?

BTW, the money they are asking for will come out of the paychecks of US taxpaying Citizens.

Fannie Mae seeks $10.7 Billion in US aid after 2Q 2009 loss of $15.2 Billion.

http://blog.taragana.com/n/fannie-mae-seeks-107-billion-in-new-us-aid-after-posting-152-billion-second-quarter-loss-132998/



When you cut out all the fan fare, and rhetoric.....Out of curiosity what was the number 2.5 years ago (or 6 years ago) when the Republicans still controlled the Congress and White house?

Got hypocracy?

Mike, why is it that whenever someone points out the flawed policies and actions of the Obama Administration, you immediately dig into your "Oh yah....well the Republicans did this and Bush is a dummy too" rhetoric archive?

The issues at hand that are crippling our country didn't happen overnight, nor can one hang the blame solely on Democrats or Republicans or on one Administration....they are all to blame.

GOVERNMENT is not the solution for our problems, they are a MAJOR cause of these problems.

Obama is under the microscope now because he is our current President, as are the current Senate and House members. They are responsible for the future, so pissing matches and fingerpointing about the past may provide momentary gratification, it solves nothing, it's devisive and counter-productive.

Being extremely vocal:callme::paper: to your elected officials and make them aware of your Will, can and will do something, and if they fail to exercise the Will of the People, theyneed to know that they are FIRED at the next election.

I don't really care which party is in majority, what I care is that they are doing what they are hired to do.....protect my rights and Freedoms and excercise my Will, nothing more.....nothing less.

Making a legacy for themselves is not part of the job description.
 
How can it be that the Stimulus Package has begun to turn the economy around when the White House web site shows that only something like 15 or 20 percent of the money has even been used? And the government itself, GAO I believe, has testified that the GNP will be less in 10 years with the package than without it. I see the whole thing as an excuse for politicians to pork barrel their pet projects instead of letting the free market take it's course.
 
How can it be that the Stimulus Package has begun to turn the economy around when the White House web site shows that only something like 15 or 20 percent of the money has even been used? And the government itself, GAO I believe, has testified that the GNP will be less in 10 years with the package than without it. I see the whole thing as an excuse for politicians to pork barrel their pet projects instead of letting the free market take it's course.

Don't believe what the politician says, believe what he does.
 
yeah I hear that all the time. you people should listen to yourselves--negative growth is ONGOING COLLAPSE regardless of if it's faster or slower than the previous period
I assume you know how to drive because you're on naxja, so I think you can appreciate the physics of changing directions; it requires deceleration. Reversing an economic crisis is no different.
 
It's not a course change until you actually make the turn. Until then it's just varying degrees of negative growth.

Stop being so NEGATIVE!:laugh:
 
First let's look at the Fannie Mae stock thing......great that you are profiting from a government-run institution which is now asking the Treasury for more money because it's loosing money still.....so how is it that your stocks went up, when Fannie and Freddie are on the take and still loosing money?

BTW, the money they are asking for will come out of the paychecks of US taxpaying Citizens.

Fannie Mae seeks $10.7 Billion in US aid after 2Q 2009 loss of $15.2 Billion.

http://blog.taragana.com/n/fannie-mae-seeks-107-billion-in-new-us-aid-after-posting-152-billion-second-quarter-loss-132998/

I don't think I mentioned Fannie Mae, did I?

I said Freddie Mac, not the same company. Freddie Mac is not asking for any more money, and they just payed the US Treasury 1.1 billion dollars in preferred share dividends, so that went into the Tax payers pockets, not out. Freddie Mac reported a profit, about 3/4 of a billion for the June 30 quarter close.

Not so long ago, AIG and Freddie Mac had been written off as a lost cause.
 
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