i have the fourth one from nates, took about 20 days to get it, but its very nice quality, the tabs for the Drings, are welded THROUGH the bumper. Nice looking welds, and also good tie in brackets. Last weekend i got stuck the driver side in a puddle. My jeep has 4 inches of lift and 31s on, the puddle was so deep water started coming in inside. My friend in a Pathfinder on 33s tied a strap to my recovery points on the bumper, when he was trying to yank me out(with me flooring in 4x) his pathfinder simply bounced back and my xj did not move an inch. Checked the bumper later, it did not move, bent or anything. And i think Nate is a great guy to deal with. my bumper came in "bare" but i think he sprayed it with something so it wouldnt rust and stuff. Sprayed few layers of etching primer, and some semi glos paint, and its amazing. Fits tight too to the body.