E85 Stroker

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92YJ1ton

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Hey everybody. Ive been a reader here for years and lost my other account info so I guess Im a newbie again.
Im getting ready to build a stroker when I get home from the desert. I was thinking as long as I was rebuilding the whole thing why not make it able to run E85.
I found that the best thing for running E85 is being able to add more fuel. Which would be taken care of by the Adjustable MAP or adjustable fuel pressure regulator.
E85 also likes more compression which would be easily taken care of by a typical stroker build.
The only major change I would have to make would be to get rid of my aluminum fuel cell and have a stainless cell built.

What do you guys think? Is anyone out there running E85 in their stock motor or stroker motor?
This would be going into my 92YJ. Its mainly trail machine but I do like to drive it around town occasionally and back and forth from the trail.
 
E85 is not a joke. It has NO major benefit to the user right now other than a slightly cheaper pump visit. The MAJOR benefit is the USE of OIL. We have the world supply of corn and straw and pay corn farmers in the Midwest NOT to plant. Once production and processing of ethanol is higher, you'll see a HUGE difference in the price at the pump. THEN the extra fillups wont matter.

E85 is ALL about renewable resources and lessening dependance on foreign oil, NOT about giving you better mileage!
 
E85 is also greenhouse gas neutral.
So it does produce emissions, but it's neutral because the plant life needed to create it.
I'm not a big fan of E85, and think we should focus on more biodiesel, but anything that lessens our dependence on crude is better than nothing.
 
this has been gone over as far as the use of ethanol.unless you can find stainless steel injectors and fuel lines you are going to run into issues with it all rusting out.doesn't it also break down rubber seals that aren't treat to deal with it?
 
The rubber seal thing is with bio-diesel.

Illinois is already a mostly E90 state. Most gas here is already 10% ethanol.
 
Rocketman said:
E85 is not a joke. It has NO major benefit to the user right now other than a slightly cheaper pump visit. The MAJOR benefit is the USE of OIL. We have the world supply of corn and straw and pay corn farmers in the Midwest NOT to plant. Once production and processing of ethanol is higher, you'll see a HUGE difference in the price at the pump. THEN the extra fillups wont matter.

E85 is ALL about renewable resources and lessening dependance on foreign oil, NOT about giving you better mileage!
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E85 HAS potential but it's not gonna happen anytime soon. I'm sure the governement and oil companies will insure that.
 
ethanol does have problems in fuel systems not meant for it. It's pretty corrosive.
www.e85fuel.com is the big ethanol coalition website.
Be forwarned, the website design blows, and it doesn't work too well in Opera or Firefox. Stupid flash menus.
 
Rocketman said:
The rubber seal thing is with bio-diesel.

Illinois is already a mostly E90 state. Most gas here is already 10% ethanol.
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E90 would be 90% ethanol.

If you can do a dual-fuel setup for a reasonable price, go for it. I would not do an E85 only setup as availabilty just isn't there yet. I precit future tax breaks for running hybrid or ethanol vehicles and a potential subsidy for E85 filling stations that might help the price point a bit.
 
E85 isnt a joke. The reason it gets worse gas mileage and performance is because its run in Flex fuel vehicles. The performance and mileage are lost in making the vehicle work well with either fuel. If its built for E85 with higher compression there will be no performance loss or mileage loss, it will probably have added performance better than regular 87 octane because it has a higher octane rating and burns cooler.

Sending less money to the middle east and keeping it home is always better in my book.

Its better for the environment.

Its cheaper at the pump and available where I live in Wisconsin and where Im moving to in Montana. So availability is not an issue.

E85 is quite a bit more corrosive. Which means I would have to get rid of the aluminum fuel cell I have now and have a stainless one made. As for the hoses and fuel pump Im unsure of how long they will last. Ethanol has been added to raise octane in regular gas for years so all of todays cars are built to tolerate some. Its just a matter of how much. I think I would leave the rubber and pump and see how long they last.
 
92YJ1ton said:
E85 isnt a joke. The reason it gets worse gas mileage and performance is because its run in Flex fuel vehicles. The performance and mileage are lost in making the vehicle work well with either fuel. If its built for E85 with higher compression there will be no performance loss or mileage loss, it will probably have added performance better than regular 87 octane because it has a higher octane rating and burns cooler.

Sending less money to the middle east and keeping it home is always better in my book.

Its better for the environment.

Its cheaper at the pump and available where I live in Wisconsin and where Im moving to in Montana. So availability is not an issue.

E85 is quite a bit more corrosive. Which means I would have to get rid of the aluminum fuel cell I have now and have a stainless one made. As for the hoses and fuel pump Im unsure of how long they will last. Ethanol has been added to raise octane in regular gas for years so all of todays cars are built to tolerate some. Its just a matter of how much. I think I would leave the rubber and pump and see how long they last.
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Here's a serious question.. Why use it? Until E85 is available on every corner it's just not worth it yet.

Pros-
It's better for the environment
Less money sent to the ME

Cons-
Worse milage
It's corrosive
You would have to modify your fuel cell to run it
 
Ex CCS Racer said:
Here's a serious question.. Why use it? Until E85 is available on every corner it's just not worth it yet.

Pros-
It's better for the environment
Less money sent to the ME

Cons-
Worse milage
It's corrosive
You would have to modify your fuel cell to run it
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I see what your saying but with the higher compression the mileage wouldnt be any worse and its already available in my area.
But I do agree with the not having to modify my fuel cell. That will be an expensive pain in the ass, that I dont need.
 
I read it on the internet, so it must be true...

*"E85 is also greenhouse gas neutral."

*"The rubber seal thing is with bio-diesel."

*"Illinois is already a mostly E90 state."

*"E85 HAS potential but it's not gonna happen anytime soon. I'm sure the governement and oil companies will insure that."

*"The reason it gets worse gas mileage and performance is because its run in Flex fuel vehicles."

*"The performance and mileage are lost in making the vehicle work well with either fuel."

*"If its built for E85 with higher compression there will be no performance loss or mileage loss."

*"with the higher compression the mileage wouldnt be any worse"
 
MaXJohnson said:
I read it on the internet, so it must be true...

*"E85 is also greenhouse gas neutral."

*"The rubber seal thing is with bio-diesel."

*"Illinois is already a mostly E90 state."

*"E85 HAS potential but it's not gonna happen anytime soon. I'm sure the governement and oil companies will insure that."

*"The reason it gets worse gas mileage and performance is because its run in Flex fuel vehicles."

*"The performance and mileage are lost in making the vehicle work well with either fuel."

*"If its built for E85 with higher compression there will be no performance loss or mileage loss."

*"with the higher compression the mileage wouldnt be any worse"
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Gee thanks for that insightful input Max. I dont claim to know everything, nor claim to get it all off the internet. I posted this here for help, tech and some good debates on what will work best.
And if you can tell me why my thinking that higher compression means more power and better fuel economy is wrong I would really like to know.
Apparently high octane fuel and raising compression meaning more power doesnt go back to the beginning of hotrods and performance like I thought it did. So please fill me with your vast knowledge.....

I just checked the price difference of E85 to regular in my hometown and my father said its around .50 cents a gallon cheaper. That would be a lot of savings over one year alone.
 
92YJ1ton said:
....I posted this here for help, tech and some good debates on what will work best.
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If you want to post tech, post facts, not something your grandma told ya.

If you are looking for good debate, quit whining and back up your claim of increased fuel economy with some facts.

What does around .50 cents mean? .40 cents?, .35 cents? How does a 10% to 15% drop in fuel cost offset a 20% to 25% increase in fuel consumption? How much would that save over one year alone?
 
MaXJohnson said:
If you want to post tech, post facts, not something your grandma told ya.

If you are looking for good debate, quit whining and back up your claim of increased fuel economy with some facts.

What does around .50 cents mean? .40 cents?, .35 cents? How does a 10% to 15% drop in fuel cost offset a 20% to 25% increase in fuel consumption? How much would that save over one year alone?
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Around .50 cents means that a couple days ago there was a .50 cent difference in the price. I said around because gas prices fluctuate daily where Im from. So when I say around I meant within a few cents, say within .05 cents of .50. I hope that clears that up for you.

I dont know what kind of fuel consumption improvement can be had. THATS WHY IM HERE. I want to know things like how much compression is optimum for E85. I was just stating that in general properly added compression improves the burn and gets you a consumption improvement. How much this improvement differs with E85 vs. regular gas I have no idea. Once again, THATS WHY IM HERE. If I had all the facts I wouldnt be here and there would be no debate or discussion. If I could find some facts on this stuff I would post them. Im still looking and once again. THATS WHY IM HERE.

Dont you have better things to do than boost your post count with useless comments about my dead grandmother?
 
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