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Do you know anybody who does not wear a seat belt

19XJ96 said:
Take a look at this video if there is somebody you need to convince to wear a seat belt. It is a 3MB file but it will scare the piss out of the non seat belt wearers. http://www.5pennies.us/images/No Seat Belt.avi

Back in 1987, I unfortunately rolled a Scrambler....having fallen asleep at the wheel after pushing another shift on one of my three jobs.

After vaulting end for end the fourth time, the steering wheel came off of the hub and it and I both exited the vehicle....

when I came to and before they carted me away to the hospital, I glanced over at the driver's seat, now inverted under the upside down vehicle....it was crushed down to the level of the flattened windshield frame by a large granite boulder that had been disturbed as the Jeep landed. I'm still glad that I wasn't belted in that time.
 
********* said:
I'm still glad that I wasn't belted in that time.

Please don't let this be the start of the "good thing I did not have a belt on" stories. It's a simple fact folkes.....belts save far more lives than they lose, deal with it. I don't really care if you wear a belt or not....but if you are with me on a trail PLEASE wear your belt, so the rest of us have an easier job of trying to keep you alive if you should have a "incident".

Rev


PS Sorry *********, I did not mean to jump on you personnelly(sp).
 
Rev Den said:
Please don't let this be the start of the "good thing I did not have a belt on" stories. It's a simple fact folkes.....belts save far more lives than they lose, deal with it. I don't really care if you wear a belt or not....but if you are with me on a trail PLEASE wear your belt, so the rest of us have an easier job of trying to keep you alive if you should have a "incident".

Rev


PS Sorry *********, I did not mean to jump on you personnelly(sp).

I never take it personally....nor do I try to impose my will on others. Just like helmets....you'll find passionate arguments on both sides of the issue. Personally, when Virginia passed the law that said I had to wear mine, I had issues with them.
When they try introduce legislation to jack that law up to Maryland's equivalent where law enforcement can pull you over specifically for that....I'll be motivated to lobby against it.
 
Where did this video come from, anyway? Is he a cab driver, or something? I am just wondering how it is that there is a camera on the dash.
 
********* said:
Back in 1987, I unfortunately rolled a Scrambler....having fallen asleep at the wheel after pushing another shift on one of my three jobs.

After vaulting end for end the fourth time, the steering wheel came off of the hub and it and I both exited the vehicle....

when I came to and before they carted me away to the hospital, I glanced over at the driver's seat, now inverted under the upside down vehicle....it was crushed down to the level of the flattened windshield frame by a large granite boulder that had been disturbed as the Jeep landed. I'm still glad that I wasn't belted in that time.

The point shouldn't be belt vs. no belt....

It's sleep vs. driving when you should be sleeping.
 
It's actually a company out there that install's these camera's in fleet vehicles. They can actually get insurance breaks but I would imagine that the company who had that camera probably does not have any insurance now.
 
cherokee89 said:
Where did this video come from, anyway? Is he a cab driver, or something? I am just wondering how it is that there is a camera on the dash.

it is a driver montering system. It looks for an event and then saves the 10 sec prior..and after ...the event. check out some of the others at thier site.


http://www.drivecam.com/

Rev
 
Several years ago, the wife and I were headed west on I-40 out of Albuquerque, doing 70-75mph. Some kid in an Escort passed us going considerably faster just as he was falling asleep. He drifted into the center and probably woke up and jerked the wheel. The tires caught the edge of the pavement and he rolled sideways a couple times, then did a couple end over end flips as I was jamming on the brakes (XJ with 20' travel trailer). He came to rest upside down on the right shoulder. I grabbed my fire extinguisher and ran up expecting to find a bloody mess, but by the time I got there he had already released his selt belt and climbed out, a bit shaken up and scratches on his arm, but otherwise OK. The car looked like it had gone part way thru a crusher. A nurse was right behind me and someone else had called 911, so we went on our way.
On the other side of the coin, 20some years ago I was in a boom truck when it rolled, and if we had been wearing our seat belts, all three of us would have had broken legs at least, as the dash was crushed into the seat. The truck was totaled, but none of us even needed stitches.
Personally, I feel naked driving without my seatbelt, since it seems there is an ever increasing percentage of morons on the road, especially in the Chicago area.
 
lesslimited said:
Several years ago, the wife and I were headed west on I-40 out of Albuquerque, doing 70-75mph. Some kid in an Escort passed us going considerably faster just as he was falling asleep. He drifted into the center and probably woke up and jerked the wheel. The tires caught the edge of the pavement and he rolled sideways a couple times, then did a couple end over end flips as I was jamming on the brakes (XJ with 20' travel trailer). He came to rest upside down on the right shoulder. I grabbed my fire extinguisher and ran up expecting to find a bloody mess, but by the time I got there he had already released his selt belt and climbed out, a bit shaken up and scratches on his arm, but otherwise OK. The car looked like it had gone part way thru a crusher. A nurse was right behind me and someone else had called 911, so we went on our way.
On the other side of the coin, 20some years ago I was in a boom truck when it rolled, and if we had been wearing our seat belts, all three of us would have had broken legs at least, as the dash was crushed into the seat. The truck was totaled, but none of us even needed stitches.
Personally, I feel naked driving without my seatbelt, since it seems there is an ever increasing percentage of morons on the road, especially in the Chicago area.

It's amazing anyone in chi town can even get insurance, what with beezil around on the roads!!
 
XJZ said:
The point shouldn't be belt vs. no belt....

It's sleep vs. driving when you should be sleeping.


I have absolutely no argument there!
Just as a little background...
I was working three jobs at age 25, trying to amass a sizeable down payment on my first house. I left myself very little time for sleep at all...mostly getting an hour here and an hour there.

I had stopped three different times in about 20 miles of highway. I had the top off, the window down, the radio blaring, and got out of the vehicle and walked around it each of those three stops to try to wake up.

In a hard way to learn.... I have NEVER had that problem again. I still remember the hurt that I incurred very vividly.

These days, I get more than enough sleep, and in hindsight.... I was foolish to try to "rob peter to pay paul" and forgo my sleep to make a downpayment.
 
JnJ said:
It's amazing anyone in chi town can even get insurance, what with beezil around on the roads!!
Just one of the many reasons I try to stay in the burbs :eek:
 
There are people on both sides of the seat-belt issue, myself included (I've known things to work one way, and then the other.) Where I have an issue is being TOLD I have to wear a seat belt/helmet/whatever, and that I can be accosted for deciding to not do so. I need no protection from myself, and I can accept results of my own decisions. I don't need a "Nanny State" to watch over me, as that is a reversal of the intended relationship. Sounds like a "no-go" to me.

Moreover, if we somehow MUST have these asinine laws (which I think is untrue, but no-one in Sacramento or D.C seems interested in my opinion,) then they should be made absolutely equitable. If I can get pulled over for not wearing my seat belt, then I should get pulled over for not wearing a helmet. Conversely, if a motorcyclist cannot be pulled over for just a helmet violation, then leave me alone about my seat belt.

How about vehicle mods? Some years can have engine mods, others can't? Where's the logic there? Why are we more concerned with HOW emissions are reduced, rather than the simple fact of their reduction? There are enough motorheads out there that we can have a significant beneficial effect on "greenhouse gasses" if we just get out of their way.

And, what is the impetus behind all these "nanny" laws? I didn't ask for them, I won't ask for them, and I don't think they're necessary. From what I've seen of late, evolution is slowing to a halt because we protect too many people, and the culling mechanisms are being removed from modern life...

I guess I'm just cranky - gotta go get my lunch made...

5-90
 
5-90 said:
And, what is the impetus behind all these "nanny" laws? I didn't ask for them, I won't ask for them, and I don't think they're necessary. From what I've seen of late, evolution is slowing to a halt because we protect too many people, and the culling mechanisms are being removed from modern life...

I guess I'm just cranky - gotta go get my lunch made...

5-90

Awwwww!!!! "You're going straight to hell !!" Don't remember which movie that was in, offhand. FWIW...I agree. Evolution has screeched to a halt.....and we are dealing with people who's parents would have ceased to be sometime ago...if nature had taken it's "natural" course.
:laugh2:
 
GO to Hell? Bud, I've BEEN to Hell! And McMurdo Sound is a pretty close second... That, and living here in Kalifornia is another preview...

Yer right tho - there are too many culls hanging around and passing on bad genes. I figured long ago I was an "experimental" model, and my current composite genome was not meant to breed yet... Think of me as a "trial" model - the Great Architect is evaluating the workability and viability of my configuration - a "beta" test, if you will...


Oh - nice to see you back!

The quote can be taken two ways...

"You're going straight to Hell for that one!" Robin Williams from "Good Morning Vietnam" (impersonating Gomer Pyle.)

"Blasphemer! You'll smoke a turd in Hell for that!" Robin Williams, to Walter Matthau in "Survivors" (a highly underrated movie, I might add... Robin Williams, Walter Matthau, and Jerry Reed.)

5-90
 
5-90 said:
GO to Hell? Bud, I've BEEN to Hell! And McMurdo Sound is a pretty close second... That, and living here in Kalifornia is another preview...

Yer right tho - there are too many culls hanging around and passing on bad genes. I figured long ago I was an "experimental" model, and my current composite genome was not meant to breed yet... Think of me as a "trial" model - the Great Architect is evaluating the workability and viability of my configuration - a "beta" test, if you will...


Oh - nice to see you back!

The quote can be taken two ways...

"You're going straight to Hell for that one!" Robin Williams from "Good Morning Vietnam" (impersonating Gomer Pyle.)

"Blasphemer! You'll smoke a turd in Hell for that!" Robin Williams, to Walter Matthau in "Survivors" (a highly underrated movie, I might add... Robin Williams, Walter Matthau, and Jerry Reed.)

5-90


That's the one....
His imitation of Gomer Pyle in Good Morning Vietnam. :gag:

The statement was an observation of the interpretation of your view point by less direct/more blinded individuals. I happen to believe that the world and the sheeple continue to cover the sharp edges of life in foam wrap so they have to do less thinking and have less responsibility for their actions.

Autos have also undergone this change... Now we have high beltlines on vehicles that limit visibility to the top of the shoulder (and make the vehicles of today look retarded), that have ABS (to pump the brakes for a generation that doesn't understand how to pump brakes rather than jam them) , and less road feedback from firm suspensions because they think any road feel or feedback is a bad thing. (now they don't understand why they don't feel the vehicle sliding on the roadway.)
 
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