tsgtbob
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So I guess that nobody wants one? I gots one for parts, will be posting on the for sale forum soon
Diesel XJ's???
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diegom6
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the 2.8 CRD auto trnas in the Liberty is fast as hell, it can be compared in reactiona nd power overall with the 3.7L V6 IMO
Woodstock
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but to swap the engine from a 4.0 to an 2,8CRD is not a plug and play swap ... there have to be changed the whole wires, "computers" and maybe even tranny, ......
and mybe it will not fit in the XJ ??
if it would be an easy swap it would be interesting for me ... but the next problem here in europe is that i will be hard to get the approval by the TÜV (it's a kind of state department like the ones who proof the cars in California) .
greetings from austria :wave:
and mybe it will not fit in the XJ ??
if it would be an easy swap it would be interesting for me ... but the next problem here in europe is that i will be hard to get the approval by the TÜV (it's a kind of state department like the ones who proof the cars in California) .
greetings from austria :wave:
Fudd
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Ok, got a question my Dad just bought a '93 2.1 turbo diesel that had been imported here for to the states, from Canada I think. Its a Renault like the earlier US cherokees, would parts from an 84 2.1 bolt up on to the newer engine? Also what are some good European jeep forums, maybe y'all can help a yank out 
Fudd said:
For the most part, I believe so. Note: you're dealing with a vehicle that was never sold in that configuration in the US in that year, so take it for what it's worth.
Also what are some good European jeep forums, maybe y'all can help a yank out
Honestly... You'll probably be better off looking for local (i.e., North American) sources for parts. That engine hasn't been in production in Europe in close to a decade IIRC, so you're facing similar issues with support - just that you're now trying to get it from an ocean and a continent away.
As mentioned before, your best bet is probably to look for Winnebago LeSharo forums - it was in production from 1983 to 1992, and was probably the only other widespread application for the Renault 2.1TD.
Woodstock
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Fudd said:Ok, got a question my Dad just bought a '93 2.1 turbo diesel that had been imported here for to the states, from Canada I think. Its a Renault like the earlier US cherokees, would parts from an 84 2.1 bolt up on to the newer engine? Also what are some good European jeep forums, maybe y'all can help a yank out
Hello :wave:
as like casm wrote ... I believe most parts will fit. I never had a 2,1 Diesel of my own.
But here are 2 forums and in the German Forum there are smoe guys having a 2.1 Renault engine .... So maybe they can help ...
In the Austrian forum I know one who is mechanic at Daimler-Chrysler. So maybe he had anything to do with the 2.1 ?? I will aks only in the Austrian forum for you.
To get the parts it's still better to look for them in the states. The gap between Euro and Dollar is high and this makes such deals with europe a little bit expensive (also the customs and shipping).
The forums:
www.jeepforum.de German Jeep Forum
www.jeepforum.at Austrian Jeep-Forum (it's smaller but the guys are more helpful)
greetings from Austria
Rainer :wave:
Sarge
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wescam said:
Here already. Or at least I saw a few sitting at a lot here in St Louis.
Sarge
Woodstock
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that's a thing i never will understand ...
the diesel is much better in case of environmental pollution than the gas engine (aside the problem of particles)...
but particle-filters are still invented and are factory built in by Peugeot and i think renault (of course in their own cars)... and it will not last very long and every (newer) diesel engine will get this particle-filter to put it in ...
the diesel is much better in case of environmental pollution than the gas engine (aside the problem of particles)...
but particle-filters are still invented and are factory built in by Peugeot and i think renault (of course in their own cars)... and it will not last very long and every (newer) diesel engine will get this particle-filter to put it in ...
Fudd
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Thanks for the help, I'll check those forums out. Yeah its messed up how the US is bashing all the new diesels coming out. The Liberty CRD gets better highway mileage than the Ford Escape Hybrid.
Woodstock said:
Yes, the Peugeot FAP (.PDF) system. Very efficient, and requiring a filter to be changed every 50,000 miles (which takes about 15 minutes). A brilliant system; shame we can't buy Peugeots here anymore.
Fudd said:
When I was at home (Ireland) over Christmas, my dad and I were watching an economy test that the BBC's Top Gear conducted between a Toyota Prius and a comparably-sized diesel, the manufacturer of which I've forgotten. From what I remember, the Prius averaged around 42MPG, the diesel in the mid- to upper-50s.
To put that in perspective, I have a 1977 Renault LeCar. Its 1.3-litre, carburetted, smog-pumped, vacuum-helled, catalysed engine allows it to average 37-40mpg. Granted, it doesn't have to haul around the weight of the Prius - standard equipment includes power nothing and a canvas roof. But in terms of comparative economy, in 30 years of automotive development hybrids really haven't progressed all that much over gas-powered econoboxes.
Chancer
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I don't know what you're all complaining about - I've just worked out that we're charged the equivalent of $5.51 per US gallon for petrol/ gas, which brings LPG prices (at about half that here) roughly in line with what you guys pay for non-converted cars. Diesel is $5.85 per gallon here! Think yourselves lucky my friends...
If you're wanting some Euro-based forums - well, Brit really - try these sites:
www.j33p.org (as the name suggests, Jeep orientated)
http://www.difflock.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi (big site for lots of different vehicles)
http://www.darksiderz.co.uk/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=4030a176fc9cffff;act=SF;f=8 (Darksiderz - a bunch of hardcore offroad nutters)
Have fun!
If you're wanting some Euro-based forums - well, Brit really - try these sites:
www.j33p.org (as the name suggests, Jeep orientated)
http://www.difflock.com/cgi-bin/discus/discus.cgi (big site for lots of different vehicles)
http://www.darksiderz.co.uk/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?s=4030a176fc9cffff;act=SF;f=8 (Darksiderz - a bunch of hardcore offroad nutters)
Have fun!
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Woodstock
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and here is a info about renault-engines from the austrian Jeep-Forum
http://www.krausmotor.de/zylinderkopf/renault_zyl.htm
i didn't have a look ... i hope there is some useable info on it :wave:
http://www.krausmotor.de/zylinderkopf/renault_zyl.htm
i didn't have a look ... i hope there is some useable info on it :wave:
Chancer said:
True, but remember that most of that cost is tax. If the government weren't so hellbent on taking every penny it possibly can out of motorists' pockets, your prices would be about in line with ours.
Also, what has most people trying to improve MPG figures here is that the cost of fuel has almost doubled in the last two years - regardless of how comparatively cheap it may be, that's still a pretty sizeable hit on the finances.
Heavy_Equipment
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I was all set to whine about our $3.15 US gallon here in the Toronto area, but Chancer wins. Yikes.
My experience with diesels tells me it's not the thing for off road. They run hot at the best of times, never mind crawling along without much airflow.
Small block conversion guys have trouble with cooling, so I have no doubt a 100hp+ diesel will not like it in an XJ either.
My experience with diesels tells me it's not the thing for off road. They run hot at the best of times, never mind crawling along without much airflow.
Small block conversion guys have trouble with cooling, so I have no doubt a 100hp+ diesel will not like it in an XJ either.
Woodstock
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Heavy_Equipment said:
The only thing i can add here: The 4.2 L with teh carburettor ... This engine really dies on steep hills and you nearly can do nothing against ....
And it's not true that the Diesels run hot (not hotter than the gas engines) ... excluding the 2.5 VM diesel engine :laugh3: This one don't like to run on high rpm without damage ...
The next thing is that they only have 115 hp (my 2.5 Diesel) but the torque is as much as the 4 L gas engine .. :wave:
indydave
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Hello,
ok i am a parts guy in a dealership(ford) in owning an 87 xj turbodiesel 2.1L I have educated myself about them parts are avail!! i have a place i can get them from. Transmission ,the bellhousing/front bearing retainer is the only thing diff it uses a standard 5speed man jeep trans so any gas motor trans will work if you have the bellhousing. this motor is VERY similar to the phaser/winnebago motor but there are diff jeep(rwd) winnie(fwd). as far as keeping it running thats not a problem. Do not bump boost levels or it will break parts, Other than that they are durable getting 30+mpg and offroad they have same or better torque as a 2.5 gas. I am in the process of dual fueling mine with a secondary fuel system running on WVO. All mj/xj 2.1`s seem to have 3.73 gears. Radiator the same as gas 2.8. rest of the jeep other than fuel support is all same. I am new here and look foreward to hearing from other diesel xj owners!! Dave
ok i am a parts guy in a dealership(ford) in owning an 87 xj turbodiesel 2.1L I have educated myself about them parts are avail!! i have a place i can get them from. Transmission ,the bellhousing/front bearing retainer is the only thing diff it uses a standard 5speed man jeep trans so any gas motor trans will work if you have the bellhousing. this motor is VERY similar to the phaser/winnebago motor but there are diff jeep(rwd) winnie(fwd). as far as keeping it running thats not a problem. Do not bump boost levels or it will break parts, Other than that they are durable getting 30+mpg and offroad they have same or better torque as a 2.5 gas. I am in the process of dual fueling mine with a secondary fuel system running on WVO. All mj/xj 2.1`s seem to have 3.73 gears. Radiator the same as gas 2.8. rest of the jeep other than fuel support is all same. I am new here and look foreward to hearing from other diesel xj owners!! Dave
