Decide for yourself...

[NW-ZJ-SCOTT]

Interesting rationalization and generalization. Immoral VS Illegal? Cops don't enforce morals, they enforce laws.

The case here appears to be excessive use of force resulting in death.

I find this slightly Redundant... :eyes:

 

[AIbandit]

Re: Re: Decide for yourself...

So you violated no law, yet still got arrested? You imply the charges were dropped, to how did this screw over you future?

Re-read what I wrote maybe?

 

[AIbandit]

Re: Re: Decide for yourself...

Interesting rationalization and generalization. Immoral VS Illegal? Cops don't enforce morals, they enforce laws. [/quote ]
Most of our laws our based on morality. If it doesn't somehow hurt an individual or their property then it is a law based on morality.

I apologize for the bad formatting... mobile

 

[XJEEPER]

I will agree that most laws are based on morals, as was the founding of the US of A.

I'm still unclear on your position of how an arrest, but no conviction, has screwed over your future?

 

[AIbandit]

I've been arrested for a victimless "felony" before, luckily I got off but it's amazing not hurting anyone but offending someone's idea of morality can screw the rest of your life over.

It didn't I got lucky. At the time I was military police with a clearance. After that as a civilian I was a law enforcement firearms instructor. I also enjoy owning guns and join in the futile practice of voting for freedom.
None of those could of happened of happened if it stuck. At no time did my actions hurt anyone or put anyone else at risk.

 

[AIbandit]

 

[Trailbst]

What I find interesting, and maybe damning to the LEOs, is, if you watch and listen, as the man turns away to grab his stuff, you can hear the phrase "Do it" the the flash bang is used. In the video they white spot what happens, did he manage to turn back around before being shot?

In talks with some senior LEOs, they have stated that there is a change in how the newer guys act. Very full of themselves, less forgiving, less understanding of the situation.

 

[Trailbst]

It didn't I got lucky. At the time I was military police with a clearance. After that as a civilian I was a law enforcement firearms instructor. I also enjoy owning guns and join in the futile practice of voting for freedom.
None of those could of happened of happened if it stuck. At no time did my actions hurt anyone or put anyone else at risk.

MP with a clearance, that's funny. Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[XJEEPER]

It didn't I got lucky. At the time I was military police with a clearance. After that as a civilian I was a law enforcement firearms instructor. I also enjoy owning guns and join in the futile practice of voting for freedom.
None of those could of happened of happened if it stuck. At no time did my actions hurt anyone or put anyone else at risk.

Got it, you were talking hypothesis and potential outcomes.

 

[AIbandit]

MP with a clearance, that's funny.

elaborate?

Got it, you were talking hypothesis and potential outcomes.

Yep
outcomes others experience daily.

 

[MikeMc]

Seems like deadly force is always OK when a cop is faced with any amount of potential harm no matter how minor the harm might be, or if the harm is not imminent.

Plus the "cop killer" double standard always irritates me. Like killing a cop is somehow worse than killing anybody else.

 

[FlexdXJ]

When you grow up doing things that arent immoral, yet somehow illegal, you learn the police are not your friends. They will lie, cheat, steal, and worse than anything else, you cannot fight back.

It is HILARIOUS hearing older white males getting outraged at police brutality these days, there is absolutely nothing the police could do that would shock me at this point.

They are the biggest street gang in america, pure and simple.

Not all cops are crooked. In fact, many of us are related to officers of the law and know for sure they aren't all like you think they are.

 

[souske]

"Dont worry about safety, im not a f'n murderer, alright"

Actions speak louder than words

 

[Trailbst]

"Deadly force", that's a touchy term. When I was taught it, we were taught to respond with equal force. Brandishing a knife from that distance would not entitle us to shoot the person, period, but we weren't LEOs.

 

[AIbandit]

"Deadly force", that's a touchy term. When I was taught it, we were taught to respond with equal force. Brandishing a knife from that distance would not entitle us to shoot the person, period, but we weren't LEOs.

Well you were taught wrong. Usually it's one level above.
A knife is deadly force (obviously the highest level of force) and is met with deadly force.
Anyone within 20 feet with a knife facing you is an immediate threat.


If someone came at you with a club you wouldn't pull out an asp and play swords you'd present deadly force, if they didn't stand down you'd shoot them.

Like I said if they shot while he was looking towards them it was justified but they put him in that position. Shooting in the back is sometimes justified and that's how they're justifying it even though he clearly just wanted to get away from aggression.

 

[Trailbst]

Like I said, not a LEO, not an MP/SP. Stood access watch, many years ago.

 

[Boostwerks.com]

20 feet, 30 feet...whatever. Dog? Taser? Bean Bags? Words? Naa, get the flash grenades and rifles.

Murder, plain and simple. It's unfortunate that this guy was just another human without a face, otherwise justice might be possible. What if it was your child?

"Pacifism is great, but it can also get you killed" George Carlin.

If I was in NM I'd be banging on some doors.

 

[xcm]

Interesting rationalization and generalization. Immoral VS Illegal? Cops don't enforce morals, they enforce laws. It's the responsibility of the citizen to know the laws and live within the boundaries, or expect the appropriate consequences.

The not immoral yet illegal argument was about pot. The war on drugs makes cops the enemy, and it doesnt matter what you were taught in boyscouts. bullshit laws, is bullshit laws. I do not honor bullshit laws blindly.

And what does age or skin color have to do with recognition of police brutality?

Because you, as a white male, (like myself) see very little racism based police attention. Its allways well he was a gangbanger... or was sagging his pants, or wearing a hoodie. Knowing how you typically handle these poli threads, you will play dipshit and say racism is dead, because obama. Bullshit to that. I wont even get into examples because they are so evident. Youtube 'police brutality' , and you will once again argue racism is dead, remember the guy from fullerton, ca. Bullshit to that argument as well. Police brutality is much more evident to young, and or non-whites.
Once again, dont play daft.

I was taught to obey the laws of the land and expect to get punished if caught violating them. Fortunately I learned my lesson quickly, after a brush with the law after playing with matches in my neighbors back yard at age 10.

A late night trip to the police dept and sitting in an empty jail cell while they discussed options with my father did the trick for me.....followed up by my dad's boot in my ass when we got home.

Congrats boyscout, I accept laws, and fallow 95% of them. I also accept the risk of, and expect to get punished for violating bullshit laws. Doesnt change the fact that they are bullshit laws, and I choose to explicitly break them. In fact, doing so now.

The case here appears to be excessive use of force resulting in death.

Ok

Anyone else wonder how/why the video wound up in the hands of the press so quickly after the incident?

Social media? Easily excited secondary press? Doesnt matter if somebody sold the video tape to make money to buy lottery tickets, the issue is what happened during the video. This isnt some illuminati scheme to discredit the police, This is a populace ****ing tired of police brutality.

 

[urban yan]

Interesting rationalization and generalization. Immoral VS Illegal? Cops don't enforce morals, they enforce laws. It's the responsibility of the citizen to know the laws and live within the boundaries, or expect the appropriate consequences.

And what does age or skin color have to do with recognition of police brutality?

Cops are people, and people are often prideful, make crappy split decisions, and -those in positions of power- often exhibit god-like delusions. That's a given.
What gets me about (most) of these police abuse cases is their gang mentality. Groups of cops swarm a person without a single cop among them with enough brain cells to weigh the ethics of their decision.

Re: Immorality of Laws/etc.. Personally, I think you're living in some white-man utopian bubble devoid of reality. The US has the highest incarceration rate on the whole damn planet, and it has allot to do with private prisons that lobby to keep their capacity intact. Heck, it's not surprising they want to keep marijuana illegal when you consider more black people get busted for weed than whites. One quick search showed that in 2010, black men were incarcerated at a rate of 3,074 per 100,000 residents; Latinos were incarcerated at 1,258 per 100,000, and white men were incarcerated at 459 per 100,000. BTW, the world average for incarceration is roughly 100 per 100,000 people. Oh yeah, the NY Stop-and-Frisk stats show black and Latino communities continue to be the overwhelming target of this law (like 85%). It's only then that you realize that there are immoral laws that undermine faith among all races in the fairness and efficacy of the criminal justice system.

I was taught to obey the laws of the land and expect to get punished if caught violating them. Fortunately I learned my lesson quickly, after a brush with the law after playing with matches in my neighbors back yard at age 10.

A late night trip to the police dept and sitting in an empty jail cell while they discussed options with my father did the trick for me.....followed up by my dad's boot in my ass when we got home.

The case here appears to be excessive use of force resulting in death.

Well... at least we, now, have a bigger picture to what made XJEEPER, XJEEPER.
Since when do you obey the laws? You run a muck in the political section skewing stats until they're comparable to spitting in the face of the government. Are you just primarily against laws that don't suit your needs while defending those that hurt others? You can't have it both ways.

Anyone else wonder how/why the video wound up in the hands of the press so quickly after the incident?

Because disproportionate force was used.
Because most people wouldn't be able don't sleep on something like this if they filmed it.

 

[Trailbst]

Because you, as a white male, (like myself) see very little racism based police attention. Its allways well he was a gangbanger... or was sagging his pants, or wearing a hoodie. Knowing how you typically handle these poli threads, you will play dipshit and say racism is dead, because obama. Bullshit to that. I wont even get into examples because they are so evident. Youtube 'police brutality' , and you will once again argue racism is dead, remember the guy from fullerton, ca. Bullshit to that argument as well. Police brutality is much more evident to young, and or non-whites.

Here is where the political training and divisiveness is shown. You have called into the trap that was set up. You believe that there are different races. Sorry, black, white and yellow are all the same race, Homo Sapien Sapiens. Fact. I won't say racism is dead, I will say that it exist only so that certain people can use it to divide people as a whole. Obama......well, he's more white than black, so how could he be the end to "racism"?

I suppose that there are racists out there, but that's because they hate EVERYBODY of every color of skin.

Keep trying to play the left wings race card. The educated know that you sound like an idiot, due to your own ignorance.