Curveball

[Milford Cubicle II]

I feel like this is being GROSSLY under reported by the mainstream media.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/15/curveball-iraqi-fantasist-cia-saddam

Maybe it's because it would exonerate "Doubya" from responsibility for the war in Iraq, or at least some of it. Even though it shouldn't, because IMO one guy's testimony, no matter how much veracity it holds, should be enough to start a war over.

*Frustrated*

:banghead:

 

[RichP]

I feel like this is being GROSSLY under reported by the mainstream media.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/15/curveball-iraqi-fantasist-cia-saddam

Maybe it's because it would exonerate "Doubya" from responsibility for the war in Iraq, or at least some of it. Even though it shouldn't, because IMO one guy's testimony, no matter how much veracity it holds, should be enough to start a war over.

*Frustrated*

:banghead:

They wanted an excuse, doubya was pissed because saddam was not following the rules and not bending over by allowing inspectors in, does not take much, he felt like saddam was dissing his dad actually.

 

[xcm]

I feel like this is being GROSSLY under reported by the mainstream media.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/15/curveball-iraqi-fantasist-cia-saddam

Maybe it's because it would exonerate "Doubya" from responsibility for the war in Iraq, or at least some of it. Even though it shouldn't, because IMO one guy's testimony, no matter how much veracity it holds, should be enough to start a war over.

*Frustrated*

:banghead:

typo? mis-spoke?
but seriously, NOBODY saw this coming! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxerr_iGRXE


if supporting our troops means being the typical dumbass "AMERICA, XXXX yeah!" mouthbreather (hi guys), who doesnt even care enough to look into things like this go ahead, count me out. bring my share of the military home, i'll take my chances with the dirty cave dwellers.

you guys who supported this shit, you dont HAVE THE RIGHT to be mad at this now, it's too late, you ignored it for too long, you had your chances, and you called us un-american, you called us traitors.... enjoy your mess, cause you ruined the country.

c "proud to be one of the guys saying XXXX george bush and his war mongering back in 2001/2002" m

 

[Rod Knee]

Actually, there's no huge revelation here to anyone that remembers that UN weapons inspection reported no weapons program in early 2003. I seem to recall a subsequent smear campaign against the messengers.

The big winner is Iran. I had an Iranian (pro-Western) colleague at work that said that while Saddam wasn't the greastest guy in the world, at least he kept a lid on things in the region. There is a reason we study history and geography.

I've been watching for a movie about Valerie Plame.....

 

[Ralph]

typo? mis-spoke?
but seriously, NOBODY saw this coming! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxerr_iGRXEyou guys who supported this shit, you dont HAVE THE RIGHT to be mad at this now, it's too late, you ignored it for too long, you had your chances, and you called us un-american, you called us traitors.... enjoy your mess, cause you ruined the country.

Bogus.

Anyone has the right to be mad about anything they want whenever they want.

The big winner is Iran. I had an Iranian (pro-Western) colleague at work that said that while Saddam wasn't the greatest guy in the world, at least he kept a lid on things in the region. There is a reason we study history and geography.

Who kept the lid on him? Didn't he start wars against Iran and Kuwait? How about the war he waged against the Kurds in his own country? Saddam and his sons were beasts. The world is better off without them.

Whatever the reasons were that started the conflict, it happened. Now what?

My only hope is that what we're seeing in the middle east now is the average Joe Muslim, who is finally fed up enough with the dictators and the radical religious freaks, stand up and demand his right to have a say in his own life.

 

[Milford Cubicle II]

Even though it shouldn't, because IMO one guy's testimony, no matter how much veracity it holds, SHOULD be enough to start a war over.

typo? mis-spoke?

Absolutely, that should read SHOULDN'T. My bad!

 

[xcm]

Bogus.

Anyone has the right to be mad about anything they want whenever they want.



Who kept the lid on him? Didn't he start wars against Iran and Kuwait? How about the war he waged against the Kurds in his own country? Saddam and his sons were beasts. The world is better off without them.

know who else is a beast? the US war machine. spreading fear and over a million dead in the span of what, 5 years? what, are we trying to one-up saddamn? cause we did.

you cant stoop to these peoples levels, but we're lower than they are now, we torture, we allow soldiers to rape other soldiers, with impunity we're just as bad.

im not saying saddamn was a good guy, im saying we as a country, are just as bad, if not worse. we have the budget to XXXX shit up on a monumental scale.

 

[DrMoab]

The fact that you lost the Tard of the Year shootout never ceases to blow my mind.

 

[xcm]

typical teabagger, changing the subject.

 

[KJ.US]

Saddam and his sons were beasts. The world is better off without them.

Whatever the reasons were that started the conflict, it happened. Now what?

Absolutely true.

However, America is not a better place as thousands of sons and daughters have died, and tens of thousands of families have sacrificed tremendously.

This cheeseball lied but he did not pull the trigger. As suspicious as some leaders may have been, no one can blame another for that mess- it's to complicated.

 

[Ralph]

im not saying saddamn was a good guy, im saying we as a country, are just as bad, if not worse. we have the budget to XXXX shit up on a monumental scale.

If we are so bad, why don't you move?

 

[Rod Knee]

Who kept the lid on him? Didn't he start wars against Iran and Kuwait? How about the war he waged against the Kurds in his own country? Saddam and his sons were beasts. The world is better off without them.

Whatever the reasons were that started the conflict, it happened. Now what?

My only hope is that what we're seeing in the middle east now is the average Joe Muslim, who is finally fed up enough with the dictators and the radical religious freaks, stand up and demand his right to have a say in his own life.

I think it was the OP’s point that the Allied incursion into Iraq was based on an intentionally deceptive premise, not that the world was no better without him. At any rate, it was the US led coalition that had kept Hussein’s Iraq bottled up ever since the 1991 Iraq war. Remember the flyovers? Saddam’s incursions into Iran and Kuwait and the Kurdish atrocity all occurred pre ”91. It’s probably worth noting that the US was complicit with Saddam regarding his 1980’s conflict with Iran.

Here’s what an author in the American Conservative had to say back in 2002:

“The United States was a close ally, financial backer, and provider of arms and intelligence to Saddam in the 1980s…. British technicians were based at the secret biowarfare complex at Salman Pak where they were developing anthrax, botulism and possibly Q-fever for Saddam’s military — with the full knowledge and support of the British and American governments. Other British scientists were developing poison gas for Iraq. They showed me documents confirming that the feeder stocks for Iraq’s germ weapons had been supplied by the United States.”

http://www.amconmag.com/article/2002/oct/07/00010/

I agree with you on what we should hope and encourage for the average middle eastener.

 

[Ralph]

I think it was the OP’s point that the Allied incursion into Iraq was based on an intentionally deceptive premise, not that the world was no better without him. At any rate, it was the US led coalition that had kept Hussein’s Iraq bottled up ever since the 1991 Iraq war. Remember the flyovers? Saddam’s incursions into Iran and Kuwait and the Kurdish atrocity all occurred pre ”91. It’s probably worth noting that the US was complicit with Saddam regarding his 1980’s conflict with Iran.

Here’s what an author in the American Conservative had to say back in 2002:

“The United States was a close ally, financial backer, and provider of arms and intelligence to Saddam in the 1980s…. British technicians were based at the secret biowarfare complex at Salman Pak where they were developing anthrax, botulism and possibly Q-fever for Saddam’s military — with the full knowledge and support of the British and American governments. Other British scientists were developing poison gas for Iraq. They showed me documents confirming that the feeder stocks for Iraq’s germ weapons had been supplied by the United States.”

http://www.amconmag.com/article/2002/oct/07/00010/

If what Margolis says is true, that the American and British governments knew that Saddam had been developing chemical weapons, wouldn't they would have been very inclined to believe stories that he still was developing them?

 

[Rod Knee]

If what Margolis says is true, that the American and British governments knew that Saddam had been developing chemical weapons, wouldn't they would have been very inclined to believe stories that he still was developing them?

You raise a good question. Apparently the author indeed did not rule the existence of Iraqi WMDs out. However he pointed out some mitigating circumstances. To quote again from the article, remembering it was written in 2002:



"...Iraq did not use its WMD arsenal during Gulf War I, though U.S. troop concentrations at crowded Saudi ports would have made ideal targets.

No matter, answer administration critics, Saddam might have some gas or germ weapons hidden away. Yes, he might. But as former UN arms inspector Scott Ritter has observed, all leftover WMDs from the 1980s have a shelf-life of only 3-5 years and are no longer lethal. Iraq may have developed a few toxins since then, but it has no delivery systems for these complex, unstable, clumsy weapons. Britain, France, Israel, Syria, Egypt, Iran, Libya, India and Pakistan, Ukraine, Russia, Serbia, China, Taiwan — and Cuba — also have chemical weapons; some have biological weapons. Castro’s are only 90 miles from Miami."

 

[Crawler]

If what Margolis says is true, that the American and British governments knew that Saddam had been developing chemical weapons, wouldn't they would have been very inclined to believe stories that he still was developing them?

They had them... and plenty of time to move them into Syria.

 

[Ralph]

No matter, answer administration critics, Saddam might have some gas or germ weapons hidden away. Yes, he might. But as former UN arms inspector Scott Ritter has observed, all leftover WMDs from the 1980s have a shelf-life of only 3-5 years and are no longer lethal. Iraq may have developed a few toxins since then, but it has no delivery systems for these complex, unstable, clumsy weapons. Britain, France, Israel, Syria, Egypt, Iran, Libya, India and Pakistan, Ukraine, Russia, Serbia, China, Taiwan — and Cuba — also have chemical weapons; some have biological weapons. Castro’s are only 90 miles from Miami."

Gosh, you got me there. There is absolutely no evidence that he had any way to deliver chemical weapons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDeeJGpNKAI

 

[Ralph]

I don't know why to believe when it comes to all the accusations and counter accusations about who knew or who lied or if there were or if there weren't. What I have always found fishy is this question: If Saddam had nothing to hide, why did he continually block weapons inspections?

 

[Rod Knee]

Gosh, you got me there. There is absolutely no evidence that he had any way to deliver chemical weapons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDeeJGpNKAI

I got you? You asked me what the author thought so I made what seemed a relevant quote in response. Since he referred to the use of gas against both the Kurds and the Iranians in the sentence immediately before the quote about the lack of Iraqi delivery systems, it seems apparent that the reverence to the delivery systems was to more than small scale tactical weaponry, something of a threat at a larger more strategic scale. Of course I could be wrong. I don’t know the guy nor am I clairvoyant.

 

[Rod Knee]

They had them... and plenty of time to move them into Syria.

Is that a slam dunk?

 

[urban yan]

I wonder who put Saddam in power?
http://www.juancole.com/2006/12/for-whom-bell-tolls-top-ten-ways-us.html