Climate Change Junk Scientists are self-destructing.....history repeats itself

joe_peters said:
And now NASA? Oh Joe (Biden), say it isn't so!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/03/researcher-reportedly-threatens-sue-nasa-climate-data/

Well, no longer The Right Stuff but now The Wrong Data?

Hey, isn't NASA that Space Agency? You know, the guys with all the satellite stuff? Hey, were did all those satellite photos supporting Global Warming come from? Oh yeah--NASA!
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Wow! I'm convinced that entire science community is in on this great big climate conspiracy.

You're right Joe. Everyone of those guys is simply crooked. Crooked to the core. Including NASA! They are the dirtiest of the bunch. It's not like satellites (that NASA sent up) measure the Earth's albedo or track any form of climate data. NASA should just stick to blowing up Space Shuttle and call it good with that.

Hell, we should just stick our heads in the sand and quit pursuing scientific knowledge at all. We can pretend that the Earth is flat, and that I can solve all our economic problems by transmutating lead into gold.
 
Do you see that chart up there Joe. That "decline" goes down near into Little Ice Age numbers for the period 1960 to 1999, in direct contradiction with the ground truth, empirical evidence from glaciers and from what those of us that are alive have experienced first hand. Can you see now why data analysts commonly filter and calibrate data?
 
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in my not quite so humble and not quite so informed opinion we're still coming out of the little ice age / last ice age anyways, remember that at one point pretty much the whole planet was jungle (iirc) then the last ice age happened. I doubt we are doing any more than slightly hastening the outcome that was going to happen anyways, and I'd like to note that volcanic eruptions put more pollutants in the air than we do... not sure if that applies to carbon dioxide, but it certainly applies to nitrous oxides (smog), sulphurous oxides (acid rain), water vapor (much stronger global warming agent than carbon dioxide), and particulates (strong global cooling agent.)
 
kastein said:
in my not quite so humble and not quite so informed opinion we're still coming out of the little ice age / last ice age anyways, remember that at one point pretty much the whole planet was jungle (iirc) then the last ice age happened. I doubt we are doing any more than slightly hastening the outcome that was going to happen anyways, and I'd like to note that volcanic eruptions put more pollutants in the air than we do... not sure if that applies to carbon dioxide, but it certainly applies to nitrous oxides (smog), sulphurous oxides (acid rain), water vapor (much stronger global warming agent than carbon dioxide), and particulates (strong global cooling agent.)
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I agree with much of that. Just don't know how much humanity has induced warming, probably some but maybe not enough to be of significance. I'd rethink that part about all of the world being jungle though.
 
Rod Knee said:
I'd rethink that part about all of the world being jungle though.
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One thing I might add here is, How far north or south have dinosaur remains been found? Cold blooded beasts don't hang out at ski resorts. That being said, the WHOLE world may not have been 'jungle', but certainly at times has been alternately warmer and cooler than it is now, with our limited view of how things may have happened over a billion years or so.
Don't get me wrong. It's good that Lake Erie is no longer flammable. It's nice that people aren't suffocating in London. If we do things right, we'll all be better off for it. But, one class of society raping another (economically and otherwise) is not the cure, and certainly not the goal of those who thought they found something fifty or so years ago.
 
Yeah - I have no problem with people making laws about not releasing horrible toxins into the world. But not using fossil fuels? Remember, everything that went into creating those was living once, and therefore most of that carbon came from the soil or air at that point. Further, since it was created from living matter, life must have existed and in fact flourished then...

I'm sure we'll survive somehow.

As for the whole planet being jungle, I guess I could be completely misthinking that. Tectonic plates do shift around. Like I said, not very informed and not really thinking a lot of this through all the way before typing it, therefore quite glad that entire post hasn't been torn to shreds :dunno:
 
Actually, there has been a lot of rethinking for many years as to just how cold bloded the dinosaurs really were. You could probably find a lot to read about searching the internet.
 
Its snowing in Waco right now. Global warming is BS.
 
IslanderOffRoad said:
Its snowing in Waco right now. Global warming is BS.
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Not so loud! The Global Warming "True Believers" will hear you! The Gore-ettes have been very sensitive since their hero cut-and-ran from the Copenhagen Liar's Fest.

Does BHO have a big enough ego that he will go to Copenhagen, or will he cut-and-run too?
 
Its snowing for the first time in Louisiana in the three years ive been here today... not that i believe that disprooves the whole global warming theory- Glad im not in Montana right now though :D

On the other hand, I have seen first hand that humans can affect the weather at least if not the climate- While in Iraq I went to an Iraqi museum where they had pictures of the landscape pre-Sadam and now, after he drained the marshes and there is a huge difference... the people at the museum (through our interpreter) told me it used to rain close to 15 times as much as it does now (2 times in the 15 months i was there)... The areas around there have also gone up an average of about 20 degress (so they say... some days hit 145 when i was there) heres a link
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...10-to-20-years-says-andrew-north-1436553.html
Then again they also said the marshes are recovering slowly

But that is an extreme example and I dont believe that driving my jeep through the woods getting 14-15 miles to the gallon is going to do anything to help speed up global warming... I think it's a cycle of the earth and its going to happen no matter what eventually... Ha I also wonder why enviornmentalists care? I mean if we caused it to heat up that much half the population would starve to death and then when the Ice Age came back around another half would die- That would give like 90% of the earth back to animals and such :D
 
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Rod Knee said:
Actually, there has been a lot of rethinking for many years as to just how cold bloded the dinosaurs really were. You could probably find a lot to read about searching the internet.
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You could too. Start with Pangea and other super-continents, along with plate tectonics....

Unless you really think Antarctica has always been covered with glaciers and ice....like most GW/CC scientists would like you to believe...

Crocs and gators are some of the oldest animals on the planet...you really think they evolved in reverse to cold-bloodedness? Thru an Ice Age no less?

Most will agree that due to the climate of the Earth at the time of the dinosaurs, they were certainly cold blooded - towards their demise, as the Earth cooled, there may have been some who evolved towards being more bird/mammal like....

We're talking animals who roamed this planet for MILLIONS of years...their evolutionary accomplishments were probably incredible.
 
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kastein said:
in my not quite so humble and not quite so informed opinion we're still coming out of the little ice age / last ice age anyways, remember that at one point pretty much the whole planet was jungle (iirc) then the last ice age happened. I doubt we are doing any more than slightly hastening the outcome that was going to happen anyways, and I'd like to note that volcanic eruptions put more pollutants in the air than we do... not sure if that applies to carbon dioxide, but it certainly applies to nitrous oxides (smog), sulphurous oxides (acid rain), water vapor (much stronger global warming agent than carbon dioxide), and particulates (strong global cooling agent.)
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What's funny about this is that large volcanic eruptions (see, Krakatoa, 1883) actually cause global cooling for many years. Even with everything from ash to water vapor that gets blasted into the atmosphere (as high as 50 miles up in the case of Krakatoa), the Earth COOLS. The years following the cold years after Krakatoa, people love to say "wow, look at that warming trend caused by the Industrial Revolution! It was our fault!!!".....Um no genius, it's the Earth returning to a stable climate following a huge natural disaster.

!!!1

You have a better chance of convincing me that God exists than you do of convincing Rod Knee and SBrad that Global Climate Change is a non-man made series of events that will continue for millions more years...with or without us living on this planet.
 
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