I do not understand the logic here. Maybe I just don't get this rock crawling thing but last time I checked these "ramps" for lack of a better term were devised and widely used durring WWII to move through Africa. I thougt the point was to run the trails. Where is it written that you have to run it without getting out the vehical? Hell I watched One Ton, Fore Wheeler, Carpenter, and the EROCC buggy run it last year and they all either winched or stacked rocks on Lower 2. So why are the "ramps" so bad? Actually they had another name but some call them "sand ladders" By the way Mark they are not desighned to hold the vehical over large holes! But I'm sure you knew that!