BART Police Officer Executes Hand-Cuffed Man?!

kcjeep6 said:
The Videos have been gone through frame by frame the kid was hand-Cuffed at the time he was shoot.
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If that was the case, he shouldn't have needed to zap him with the tazer, were these guys even being difficult before the arrests started? That part of the video wasn't too clear (no matter what the cell phone girl said).
 
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I always ask myself what the original crime was, way too many of these things start out small and escalate into catastrophe.
In effect he was summarily executed, be it by accident or on purpose, what was his original crime?
I really can picture some guy getting a nut clamped in his pants leg, jerking around a little and dieing for it.
I worked in a training command for a number of years, in the military. Many of these guys were fresh off the streets and half wild. Stuff would happen on a regular basis. I never found it necessary to shoot anybody. Actually the unofficial, official policy was thump them if you have to, but make sure they are fit for duty the next morning.
 
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8Mud said:
I always ask myself what the original crime was, way too many of these things start out small and escalate into catastrophe.
In effect he was summarily executed, be it by accident or on purpose, what was his original crime?
I really can picture some guy getting a nut clamped in his pants leg, jerking around a little and dieing for it.
I worked in a training command for a number of years, in the military. Many of these guys were fresh off the streets and half wild. Stuff would happen on a regular basis. I never found it necessary to shoot anybody. Actually the unofficial, official policy was thump them if you have to, but make sure they are fit for duty the next morning.
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No matter the original crime, the guy's actions likely caused the escalation that brought about his untimely and unnecessary demise.
 
Many of the comments here are disturbing:

1) Let's not forget; an UNARMED man was shot in the back. I've seen little respect for the dead in this thread (i.e., references to the victim as a "jerk" or something else derogatory). There has been no concern for the man's family or loved ones, or the loss of life at such a young age. Just imagine that you are the father and mother burying your child who was killed unneccesarily. Even those who are protesting what they believe to be injustice are demonized here.

2) There has been given much deference to the officer's innoncence, and little-to-none given to the victim's. SHOULD NOT INNONCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY APPLY TO THE DEAD AS WELL?

3) I dare say that the victim - Oscar Grant - cooperated with the police more than the BART officer who killed him - Mehserle. In the 12 days since the killing, the officer has RESIGNED and REFUSED to cooperate with investigators. Oscar Grant, by all accounts so far, was at least sitting against the wall with his hands raised.
 
I am not going to say the shooting was justified or right, but I will adress some of the attitude tward the victim. I will say this, which is my personal opinion, but had he been totally innocent, totally complient with the police he would never have gotten shot.

Now that's not to say he deserved to be shot, but his resistant actions led to the situation that followed. If a cop tells me to do something it's "yes sir, no sir" which ever he wants and does what he says.
 
SeansBlueXJ said:
I am not going to say the shooting was justified or right, but I will adress some of the attitude tward the victim. I will say this, which is my personal opinion, but had he been totally innocent, totally complient with the police he would never have gotten shot.

Now that's not to say he deserved to be shot, but his resistant actions led to the situation that followed. If a cop tells me to do something it's "yes sir, no sir" which ever he wants and does what he says.
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So innocent/compliant people never get shot, killed, or brutalized by police? I will ignore the sheer naivete of that statement......and just say that is historically inaccurate. Perhaps it might be more appropriate to have informed opinions.

1) March 7, 2006. Joseph Erin Hamley, a mentally disabled man, was shot and killed after being mistaken for a fugitive by state trooper Larry Norman. Norman later pleaded guilty to negligent homicide and the Hamley estate accepted a $1 million legal settlement from the state.

2) January 4, 2004. Timothy Stansbury, a 19-year old New York City teenager, was shot and killed by New York City Police Department Officer Richard S. Neri Jr. Neri’s partner pulled open a rooftop door so that Neri, gun drawn, could scan for drug suspects. Stansbury was coming up the stairs with a pile of CDs in his arms, intending on using the roof as a shortcut to go to a party in the adjacent building. Neri responded with one shot.

3) June-July 2000. A string of incidents of police misconduct by a group of four Oakland PD officers known as "the Riders" came to light. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality#cite_note-27 119 people pressed civil rights lawsuits for unlawful beatings and detention, ultimately settling for $11 million with an agreement that the Oakland Police Department would implement significant reforms.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality#cite_note-28 Although all of the police officers involved were fired, three were later acquitted of criminal charges while one fled to Mexico to avoid prosecution.

4) October 2, 1999. Darren Varley, a 26-year old truck driver, was shot to death in a cell at a local Royal Canadian Mounted Police holding cell. The Officer, Constable Michael Ferguson, a 19-year veteran was convicted in a 3rd trial of manslaughter and ordered to a 4-year prison term.

5) August 1997. Abner Louima was sexually abused by New York City police officers. A number of officers were convicted in the case.

6) October 12, 1996. Javier Ovando was shot and paralyzed by LAPD Officer Rafael Pérez and his partner Nino Durden. The two officers planted a gun on the unarmed man and testified that Ovando shot first. The truth was revealed in 1999 as part of the Rampart investigation, and in the largest police misconduct settlement in city history, Javier Ovando was awarded $15 million in November 2000.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cases_of_police_brutality#cite_note-7
 
JeepDawg said:
:huh:
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I think ECKJAY was pointing out that using those law enforcement agencies as examples of typical law enforcement agencies is laughable. It's kind of stupid to say that all law enforcement agencies and lawmen are the same because of the actions of a few that have broken the laws that they were sworn to uphold. Should they be held to a higher standard? Yes, but that doesn't mean that those that are sworn to protect and serve aren't still human. There's always going to be bad apples.
 
ECKSJAY said:
NYPD, Oakland, LAPD, Canadians, Arkansas...all fine examples of the modern world. :roflmao:
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I'll take getting pulled over, arrested, warned, talked too, whatever by one of my guys before I ever even ask one of the others on that list for directions.

Too often its shoot first, ask questions later. Personal protection is one thing, but its too easy for a cop to justify shooting someone nowadays.

I can't watch the vid here, but from reading, this is a tragedy.
 
Here is what the DA has to say

During an 11 a.m. press conference Alameda Count District Attorney Tom Orloff told reporters, "Murder charges were filed because at this point, what I feel the evidence indicates, is an unlawful killing done by an intentional act. And, from the evidence we have there's nothing that mitigates that to something lower than a murder."

One thing that gets me is the cost to tax payers for one mans actions. BART will have no choice but to give the family 25 million, the cost for all the police at the protest and riot (more to come) Cost of the investigation, The CA GA and the FBI are involved.
By the time it is over and done it will cost us 75 million or more.
 
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