AW4 pan drain valve?

[cruiser54]

They come on stationary equipment whereas the valve is protected.

No, this one is a gimmick.

Serious people, people who have thousands tied up in their engines or trans do not install anything on the pan that can or will damage their engines.

Even running over a stick can cause the stick to slap that POS valve and cause it to break off or crack, thus causing catastrophic failure in a matter of seconds.



Besides, your plan is completely unnecessary anyway. Replace filter and fluid twice and be done with it.........good for another 100K miles.

Skip the filter also. It's NOT a filter. It is a screen.

There is NO mention in any factory literature or service/maintenance schedule to ever change the screen.

Drain and fill every 30,000 miles for normal service and every 15,000 miles for severe service like a postal vehicle or towing a lot.

 

[Jeep Driver]

Skip the filter also. It's NOT a filter. It is a screen.

There is NO mention in any factory literature or service/maintenance schedule to ever change the screen.

Drain and fill every 30,000 miles for normal service and every 15,000 miles for severe service like a postal vehicle or towing a lot.

I stand corrected on the 'screen'.

I long for the days of C4s and TH350s...........simple, easy, and they have filters.


POS AW4s...............want nothing to do with them.


My wife's jeep just turned 250K, and I bet it has the original fluid in it. One thing I will say, you can get a lot of miles out of a AW4. But, they suck.

 

[Number21]

They come on stationary equipment whereas the valve is protected.

No, this one is a gimmick.

Serious people, people who have thousands tied up in their engines or trans do not install anything on the pan that can or will damage their engines.

Even running over a stick can cause the stick to slap that POS valve and cause it to break off or crack, thus causing catastrophic failure in a matter of seconds.



Besides, your plan is completely unnecessary anyway. Replace filter and fluid twice and be done with it.........good for another 100K miles.

Seriously...stop trolling. I didn't ask your permission or if I should install one. I said I want one and that's all there is to it. It's my Jeep and I'll install whatever the hell I want to...

As for "thousands" tied up in my engine or trans...LOL! I don't have "thousands" tied up in the whole Jeep. A used AW4 is a few hundred bucks. And if something happened causing all the fluid to drain, it likely would require a refill and be fine.

If you don't like it just hit your back button.
Jesus.

 

[Number21]

Skip the filter also. It's NOT a filter. It is a screen.

There is NO mention in any factory literature or service/maintenance schedule to ever change the screen.

Drain and fill every 30,000 miles for normal service and every 15,000 miles for severe service like a postal vehicle or towing a lot.

This is exactly why I want a drain valve. There is zero reason to ever drop the pan on an AW4. I'll decide the drain/fill interval myself...and if the fluid is extra dirty then it needs to be drained several times before it starts to come out clean. The lack of a real filter is why I like to change the fluid so often.

A drain valve would make this a <10 minute job. I happen to be disabled so working under the Jeep is not easy for me.

 

[Jeep Driver]

Seriously...stop trolling. I didn't ask your permission or if I should install one. I said I want one and that's all there is to it. It's my Jeep and I'll install whatever the hell I want to...

As for "thousands" tied up in my engine or trans...LOL! I don't have "thousands" tied up in the whole Jeep. A used AW4 is a few hundred bucks. And if something happened causing all the fluid to drain, it likely would require a refill and be fine.

If you don't like it just hit your back button.
Jesus.

Then you would have already pulled the pan and tapped the hole to whatever size adapter you need to put the valve in.


What are you waiting on?


No, I'm not trolling, you just don't like it that I'm not cheerleading you.

 

[comanche91]

POS AW4s...............want nothing to do with them.

My wife's jeep just turned 250K, and I bet it has the original fluid in it. One thing I will say, you can get a lot of miles out of a AW4. But, they suck.

Yep, that makes good sense. 250K and still with the original fluid and doing fine. That really sucks. Huh?

Back on topic: I could tolerate a quality drain valve on the oil pan. You would soon know if something's amiss by seeing a loss of oil pressure quickly. But I wouldn't want one on the AW4 pan.

 

[Jeep Driver]

Yep, that makes good sense. 250K and still with the original fluid and doing fine. That really sucks. Huh?

Back on topic: I could tolerate a quality drain valve on the oil pan. You would soon know if something's amiss by seeing a loss of oil pressure quickly. But I wouldn't want one on the AW4 pan.

Put some horsepower in front of one and see how long it lasts.

Also, point to a manual reverse valve body for the AW4, don't bother, they don't exist.

 

[comanche91]

Put some horsepower in front of one and see how long it lasts.

Also, point to a manual reverse valve body for the AW4, don't bother, they don't exist.

Does just fine with the stroker, that's good enough for me.

 

[Number21]

Back on topic: I could tolerate a quality drain valve on the oil pan. You would soon know if something's amiss by seeing a loss of oil pressure quickly. But I wouldn't want one on the AW4 pan.

Transmission would stop shifting. This would be a good indicator that something is "amiss". It likely would not do any harm. Not like running an engine without oil. Also would likely be a big cloud of white smoke from the fluid hitting the exhaust...

Jeep Driver obviously doesn't understand the question or the concept here. Don't feed the troll.

 

[Jeep Driver]

Does just fine with the stroker, that's good enough for me.

LOL, like I said, put some HP in front of it.

 

[Jeep Driver]

Transmission would stop shifting. This would be a good indicator that something is "amiss". It likely would not do any harm. Not like running an engine without oil. Also would likely be a big cloud of white smoke from the fluid hitting the exhaust...

Jeep Driver obviously doesn't understand the question or the concept here. Don't feed the troll.

Why have you not tapped the pan yet?

I understand fully.


This isn't worth the discussion, you want a valve? you should have installed it yesterday. Do it.

 

[comanche91]

LOL, like I said, put some HP in front of it.

Says Mr. 2.5 :laugh2:

 

[Jeep Driver]

Says Mr. 2.5 :laugh2:

For now.

Until then, I got the quickest 2.5 around.

 

[Number21]

For the paranoid, you might want to notice that the Fumoto valves come in various configurations, with clips and plugs to prevent accidental opening. If something hit it so hard to break it off, it likely would have put a hole in your pan anyway, and this is highly, highly unlikely on a vehicle that never leaves improved surfaces. Of course, nobody is asking you to put one on YOUR vehicle.

http://www.fumotousa.com/results.ph...el=24350&makeid=JEEP&modelid=Cherokee+4.0L+L6

This is however a moot point because they do not make one the size of the AW4 drain hole.

LOL, like I said, put some HP in front of it.

Who cares? And what does that have to do with this topic?

This isn't worth the discussion, you want a valve? you should have installed it yesterday. Do it.

I simply asked if one was available. Seriously, get over yourself.

 

[dan1977p]

Like it or not, you're asking questions on a website owned by an organization who's primary purpose is to raise money for keeping 4x4 trails open. That means you're going to get answers likely biased toward keeping the rig safe for the trail. You're not planning on using your jeep off road but it's your jeep so it is what it is.

But honestly, please help me understand the reasoning behind this? Is it just to save time? Wouldn't it need to be checked periodically either way? Don't you still need to get under the jeep and turn a wrench to open the valve and then go back under in a few minutes to turn the wrench to close it? Is all this effort being put into saving maybe 30 seconds over the course of 100k miles?

 

[Number21]

Like it or not, you're asking questions on a website owned by an organization who's primary purpose is to raise money for keeping 4x4 trails open. That means you're going to get answers likely biased toward keeping the rig safe for the trail. You're not planning on using your jeep off road but it's your jeep so it is what it is.

But honestly, please help me understand the reasoning behind this? Is it just to save time? Wouldn't it need to be checked periodically either way? Don't you still need to get under the jeep and turn a wrench to open the valve and then go back under in a few minutes to turn the wrench to close it? Is all this effort being put into saving maybe 30 seconds over the course of 100k miles?

Like I said, I'm not asking anybody's permission. I simply asked if one was available. If you don't want one don't install one. If you don't like this thread hit your back button. Drain valves make draining and filling any sort of fluid filled pan easier. They are used in thousands of vehicles and equipment. Fumoto drain valves are actually quite popular.

To answer your question, yes, it's much easier than using a wrench on the plug. No wrench is required with a valve. I'm not asking you to do it.

 

[dan1977p]

I was actually being quite cordial even though I expected you to respond in the childish way you did.

You already answered your own question, though, so I would suggest walking away from this measuring contest. Not exactly the kind of reputation I'd want to make for myself in my first few posts on a new forum.

 

[Number21]

Not exactly the kind of reputation I'd want to make for myself in my first few posts on a new forum.

This isn't a high school popularity contest, though I suspect we have a few high schooler's trolling. I'm not here to "make a reputation", I was just asking a simple question. If you can't handle that, it's what the back button is for. Off topic and trolling posts are simply against the rules here.

I might also point out I've been on and off this forum since it opened. It's been so long I don't even remember what my old username was. I've been here much longer than you have. The tech quality here has definitely gone downhill over the years. Post count and join date mean nothing.

 

[cal]

Jesus Christ jeep_driver is a douche. This thread was reported 9 times.

Jeep driver knock it off or I ax the thread and ask for a timeout.

 

[comanche91]

This is too easy guys.

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NDP7041915

Dorman junk.