ATTN BURNSIE (and other riggin' bitches)

[Beezil]

Burnsie.....

what do you think of this rig?

obviously, I'm gonna push up on those forks (over the top)

I can't use the hoist holes in the upper ram body, since the shackle that would fit would cost near 400 bucks for a pair (why didn't they put them closer to the top!?) and the hole diameters are too small to feed a strap....therefore, i am trying to snatch where you see in the pic....thing is, this makes me nervous, cause i am unsure of the CG of the ram, which weighs about 7500-8000 pounds......have you guys ever pulled an upper ram this big? I am using 2 straps through the holes in a basket to shackles, and I have a pair of baskets for the top. I figure, as i'm pulling up, the lower baskets will 'trap' the ram even if I'm pulling from a point that makes the ram come up top heavy......

I'm taking my lunch now, and will pull if I hear from you.....

 

[KY Chris]

You are lacking in rope my friend.

 

[Ted Z]

Dude.... Are those tow straps out of yer jeep??

 

[ChiXJeff]

Urk...... the big problem I see is that the load is too far out towards the end of the forks. That's a bend problem. I've bent forks on the farm doing stuff like that, with a much lighter load.

Second problem is the holes you've got the straps run through. Cut hazard on the edge?

ChiXJeff

 

[Beezil]

Jeff, I was worried about the forks sliding off the rail if I was putting a "splitz" force on them.....I was thinking I'd rather squeeze them together......but now I have them spread again, but double-checked the lock.....

beleieve me, no chance in bending forks. these babies are class 3 forks.

 

[notorious DUG]

What I do not like about it is how much wieght asppears to be up top.

Have you thought about welding lifting lugs to the top of it? From ehat I have seen that is not a uncommon practice with machinery movers.

I am also not a fan of the tight angle on the baskets or the sharp endge they goover, put something in there to protect them.

also put something on the end of the forks to keep the straps from sliding off. On light stuff I have just used c-clamps but a lot of riggers cut holes in the forks and pin them.

I also have an issue with your load center, class 3 or not you are well into the tip and far out on the load center, how many pound truck is that you have for it? Is it yours or did you rent it? If you rented it how come you didn;t just call me, punk.

If the truck is under rated add counterwieght ot it and keep it tilted back as far as you can to improve the load center.

 

[Beezil]

What I do not like about it is how much wieght asppears to be up top

that's a no-shitter.....

that's what has me spooked too.

didn't get around to it today, we got hung up just removing the cylinders.....

 

[Safari Ary]

knowing that you have all those nifty metal-working tools at your disposal, would it be too difficult to make something like the body of a snatch block. Like these(not the red one):

Except w/ the pulley replaced w/ a shear pin to go where the shackle mounts are. Clearly made of stronger more suitable thickness etc. But for all intensive purposes make makeshift shackles for the job. I doubt it would be THAT difficult or time consuming. Just an idea.... HTH, Peace

Ary

 

[Beezil]

Ary.....thanks for the idea, but I'll tell it to you straight....

show me something made out of metal, and there's no doubt we can make it.....thing is, American manufacturers are having a real tough time making ANYTHING these days that doesn't compete in a market already super-saturated with CHINESE/TAIWANESE/MEXICAN/3rd-world-country"X" products, made by folks that work on mud floors, no shoes, for 1 dolla-a-week pay......

and I'm not even trying to be funny....actually, there's nothing funny about it.

-don't shop at walmart either.

 

[Safari Ary]

Are you saying it would be cost prohibitive to make two shackles like that in house?? I know when doing bulk things the Asians have us beat in price to quantity ratio, but we all know about quality. However, that doesn't address the short term problem that you have. Just trying to understand. Peace

Ary

 

[Beezil]

jeeze, look at me, what an ass.......

you said "make this" and I jump right on my damn soapbox.....

did you mean, make those in order to drop that ram off the machine? If so, I'm sorry! It'd be much better to just buy something like that off the shelf if I needed it.....If that's what you meant, I guess I'm trying to figure out how I could use a snatch block to my benefit....

 

[Safari Ary]

What I'm suggesting is that you take some stock and bend it so that it is shaped like the sides of the snatch block. Then drill two holes in those pieces, one near each end. run a bolt through the two pieces sandwhiching the piece of machinery, and then run your shackle through the top hole of them. I included the pic of the snatch blocks to get the idea of the general shape across(hard shape to describe). I just figured it wouldn't take much time to run 4 pieces of stock through the brake and the drill press, like maybe an hour, if that. Anyway, at least you understand now what I'm talking about, hopefully at least. Peace

Ary

 

[Beezil]

Ary........

maybe if you lived closer you coulda come over here and hit me upside da head with a tennis racket......

That's a really great idea, thanks!

 

[Safari Ary]

ROFLMAO......what can I say, I do what I can. I have another great idea....an idea of how you can return the favor, but I'll keep that to PMs, so check your box in a minute or two. Peace

Ary

 

[burnsie]

Beez,

Been out of the office the last couple days. I will call you today to discuss.

 

[notorious DUG]

Lookign at it agin I thought of this:

Bring the machine in close so that the load is VERY close to the past to keep it from swinging back. Then chain/strap it to the mast to keep it from tipping forward. I would be VERY carefull about this thoug if you are over loading or working near capacity for the given load center, a fast change in LC or CG cold make for a bad day, as in the whole truck and load do bad things.

Ifyou want help let me know, I love moving big things.....

Nothing I like more then a chance to do something new, if you want help give me a buzz, dead serious!

 

[burnsie]

Beez,

In looking at it you could block the ram up with wood and bring the truck in as close as you can, then put a chain through the lifting hole and then take it around the mast of the forklift and into the other lift hole like Doug suggested to keep it from flaping back and fourth. Then disconnect your ram cylinders and very slowly and carefully back away from the machine.

Option #2

Take two pieces of bar stock (I think 4140 will do?) that will fit through the top two lifting holes with about 10" sticking out on either side of the ram. Then take a 3/8" chain and go around either side of the ram on the bar stock and then to your forks.
Word of caution open up the width of you froks as wide as you can so you will closer to the pick points and relieve any unneccessay lateral load, also bring your forklift in as close as you can so that you can maximize on the load center.

I tried to call you today but they told me the new Barbie catalog came and no one had seen you in about an hour... I left my cell number call me if you want a somewhat coherent explanation of what I was suggesting.

 

[Beezil]

damn burnsie, dats cold!

I heard the page when you called, I was doing the deed!

the ram is flat on the ground no problem....

will post pics in the morn, gotta make a sales call, but will be back around 1pm........

I re-rigged the whole thing, got word that my rig point was above the CG and that was a good snatch point, and had that bad motha layin' to the groud in two minutes jus lika dat!

 

[notorious DUG]

Sweet dude, glad it went well for ya.

Woulda been a shame if ya squished yer bad self befo I saw yer fiished ride up close

 

[burnsie]

Me cold... Well maybe a little lol.

Glad you got it down safely!! Now tell me what the hell are you doing taking it apart? As near as I can remember you didn't say why you were taking the ram out of it.