Are these how your Deaver Springs look when they arrived?

[kastein]

Trust me, in the future, I will likely not buy from them again. Their lack of quality control makes me wish I had never considered them. That would be the whole point of my post here and on my website. Nobody, not even Deaver, has mentioned anywhere that you can expect their springs to come looking like a junkyard special. I think it's valid to post here so others considering their products are aware of the condition they ship in.

Since nobody in my racing league has used Deaver springs, I took a risk buying them and running them. Add that risk to the fact that they look like junkyard specials, will make it very hard to resell them if they don't actually perform as expected.

Deaver should be aware that every single one of their competitors is capable of properly painting or powdercoating their springs.

blah blah blah it's PAINT, the damn spring is behind the friggen tire and the paint won't be visible under the dust/dirt by the time you finish a course, buy a 3 dollar rattle can to touch em up and keep the rust at bay and forget it.

Let's see how you like those beautifully powdercoated bling IRO springs when they sag after a couple races because the springs themselves aren't as high quality. BUT THEY'LL STILL BE ALL NICE AND PRETTY lastara

The deavers on the other hand will still be at the same height, same spring rate, and oh no, they have a couple bits of cardboard and some rattle can paint touchup on them that you can't even see without crawling under the rig and no one will notice while you're racing!!!! THE WORLD IS GONNA END Hasta

 

[ktm racer 419]

will make it very hard to resell them if they don't actually perform as expected.

i'll take em'

im pretty effin nasty with a can of krylon gloss black

 

[GrimmJeeper]

My powdercoated fabtech springs chipped in one place and it has started to peel the coating off because it's rusting under the coating now. Just paint the springs, no biggie. Yes they should take care of it, but you have them now so return them or fix it yourself.

 

[FordGuy]

Powdercoating them changes the spring rate like Jim said 10k post ago...

I don't think that's the case. Springs heat up to well over 200 deg on any Off-road Race vehicle. All the Bilstein, King, HyperTech, Eibach etc. are all powdercoated. Powder Coating Adds $14.00 to the price of the springs. Well worth it.

 

[loki_racer]

Mi'll take em'

im pretty effin nasty with a can of krylon gloss black

You're going to take them off my hands at no cost to me? That means paying the $60+ dollars to ship them and pay me retail price (I know I already mounted them, but let's say I hadn't)? If not, then I have already lost out because of Deaver's paint job.

I can't return them as Deaver thinks there is nothing wrong with them.

This is my exact point. Deaver doesn't advertise the fact that they can't paint their products correctly. No forums mentioned it either. So now I'm stuck with a set of springs that look like ass compared to every other spring.

Sure I can paint them, that's not the point.

 

[GrimmJeeper]

When did I say I was going to take them off your hands? I don't run front coils on my rig anymore I'm setting up for coilovers.

I know it's not the point, but you keep saying they look like ass, you're unhappy with them, you didn't like them as soon as you opened the box, etc etc... you should have returned them right there, instead of complaining about them. All I am saying is now that you have them, solve the problem and go on with your life.

 

[loki_racer]

Sorry, quoted the wrong person.

Returning them would cost me money, which I don't think is acceptable since the product arrived in less than finished condition in my opinion. Deaver is happy to pawn off their springs under the idea that nasty paint jobs are acceptable.

 

[FordGuy]

Here is what a lot of people don't really get about Deaver. They are a old school spring shop who got involved in custom springs really not that long ago. They don't make anything special, they don't even make there own springs. They order them from a spring manufacture here in the US where thousands of other company's do. They order in very small quantities. They treat your custom springs no different then if they they were putting springs on your tractor. They are the only game in town here in O.C and are really good guys, hell it took them 3 trys to get my springs right in my XJ, but they kept working at it until it was close with not one complaint and never asked me for a nickle more. When you work with a company like Deaver it is sort of like getting FAB work done.

 

[ktm racer 419]

You're going to take them off my hands at no cost to me? That means paying the $60+ dollars to ship them and pay me retail price (I know I already mounted them, but let's say I hadn't)? If not, then I have already lost out because of Deaver's paint job.

i can get brand new deavers for the same price

thanks tho

 

[Clean Racing]

Powdercoating them changes the spring rate like Jim said 10k post ago...

I am calling BS on this and the analogy of this.. IF so then why do all Eibach Racing springs come powdercoated.. The springs I run on the Rally Car come from Europe Powdercoated.. The springs we run over the coarse of a weekend see more temp than the oven of a powdercoater. This is another example of Internet hear say.. Just like Jim said many moons ago that drilled rotors were a bad Idea.. Get the facts right before spewing... unless you can prove this scientifically..

To the original Poster of this thread.. Yes it sucks that the springs came with some chips in the paint, but you know what so did my Rubicon Express springs that I have on my rig right now.. Personally I would get them powdercoated and install them..run them and be done..

alright rant over:rattle:

 

[crazyjim]

I don't think that's the case. Springs heat up to well over 200 deg on any Off-road Race vehicle. All the Bilstein, King, HyperTech, Eibach etc. are all powdercoated. Powder Coating Adds $14.00 to the price of the springs. Well worth it.

From talking with Eibach at the Kartek open house last year, it's not the heat that kills it, it's the sand blasting. It changes the characteristics of the metal when you hit the surface with a high pressure bead / glass / sand. They say you can powdercoat a set of springs once, because they engineered that into their design, any more than that and you're changing spring rates.

 

[loki_racer]

i can get brand new deavers for the same price

thanks tho

I said assuming I hadn't mounted them.

Let's say I hadn't mounted them, I posted them for sale here, with the pictures I already provided, and sold them for the same price you could get them from Deaver. Would you be interested in them then?

This paint job will turn away all but those willing to strip and repaint them and racers. Deaver could wait a day after painting them to ship them and this would be avoided.

 

[Clean Racing]

From talking with Eibach at the Kartek open house last year, it's not the heat that kills it, it's the sand blasting. It changes the characteristics of the metal when you hit the surface with a high pressure bead / glass / sand. They say you can powdercoat a set of springs once, because they engineered that into their design, any more than that and you're changing spring rates.

This is why a good powdercoater uses an acid solution to clean the metal before plating.. no substantial heat in that process.

 

[loki_racer]

For me it comes down to either do it right or don't do it. If that means not painting/powdercoating them, fine, ship them bare with a coat of oil. If that means charging extra for powdercoating, fine, charge me the difference. If that means delaying the shipping by a day to let them dry, I'm cool with that as well.

 

[vetteboy]

You know that awful moment when you see a shopping cart hurtling across a parking lot, right towards your shiny mint new car, and you get that first ding?

Sounds like Deaver saved you the trouble. How much would that suck to have beautiful springs, and 100 feet into your first test run, kick up a rock and take a nice dent outta the finish? I'd hate to have that on my mind. Deaver takes care of that right from the start, and instead of worrying about it, you can get to racing & having fun that much quicker.

 

[crazyjim]

I am calling BS on this and the analogy of this.. IF so then why do all Eibach Racing springs come powdercoated.. The springs I run on the Rally Car come from Europe Powdercoated.. The springs we run over the coarse of a weekend see more temp than the oven of a powdercoater. This is another example of Internet hear say.. Just like Jim said many moons ago that drilled rotors were a bad Idea.. Get the facts right before spewing... unless you can prove this scientifically..

To the original Poster of this thread.. Yes it sucks that the springs came with some chips in the paint, but you know what so did my Rubicon Express springs that I have on my rig right now.. Personally I would get them powdercoated and install them..run them and be done..

alright rant over:rattle:

And I still stand by that, it's a horrible design. On a rally car that gets brakes every other race? You probably won't have a problem, on a friggin Jeep? Sure will.

Do F1 cars or NASCAR run drilled rotors? Those guys obviously are far inferior to your weekend rally team



Ok back on topic :looser:

 

[kastein]

I said assuming I hadn't mounted them.

Let's say I hadn't mounted them, I posted them for sale here, with the pictures I already provided, and sold them for the same price you could get them from Deaver. Would you be interested in them then?

This paint job will turn away all but those willing to strip and repaint them and racers. Deaver could wait a day after painting them to ship them and this would be avoided.

and those who will grab the first can of krylon or rustoleum hammered black off the shelf, hit the bare spots with it, shrug, put the springs in, and run em.

After a shot or two of gravel they will have chips anyways, I end up hitting random spots on my undercarriage and axles with rustoleum anytime I go offroad just to keep the rust away. It's just the way it is.

Ever see that pic of shock absorbers from Australia? One of the guys on here made some metal sleeves for his just to keep them from being worn down and punctured by gravel/sand as he drove. Leave pavement, and your paint will be assaulted, and it won't matter whether it was spotless when you started.

 

[Clean Racing]

And I still stand by that, it's a horrible design. On a rally car that gets brakes every other race? You probably won't have a problem, on a friggin Jeep? Sure will.






Do F1 cars or NASCAR run drilled rotors? Those guys obviously are far inferior to your weekend rally team



Ok back on topic :looser:

Actually YES they do.. F1 and Neckcar both do.. F1 is all Carbon rotor and pads.. Nice pic of a pepboys rotor by the way..

 

[loki_racer]

You know that awful moment when you see a shopping cart hurtling across a parking lot, right towards your shiny mint new car, and you get that first ding?

Sounds like Deaver saved you the trouble. How much would that suck to have beautiful springs, and 100 feet into your first test run, kick up a rock and take a nice dent outta the finish? I'd hate to have that on my mind. Deaver takes care of that right from the start, and instead of worrying about it, you can get to racing & having fun that much quicker.

Hands down the best argument yet. I have no response other than to tell you, sir, you have won this discussion.

 

[crazyjim]

Actually YES they do.. F1 and Neckcar both do.. F1 is all Carbon rotor and pads.. Nice pic of a pepboys rotor by the way..

Haha, ok. Here's some non "Pep boys" rotors.

F1 Car:

Those sure look cross drilled don't they...




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