Another shooting....

Don't you mean ....IS. The a$$ was playing himself in All in the Family. He hasn't changed one bit in real life.


I especially like how he was perfectly content to let his wife (another freeloader) go out and work while he sat on his bum and continued to sponge off a conservative. Isn't it great how art imitates life! And the best part, he was always owned by Archie. And still, not too proud to sponge. Hey wait, maybe life imitates art?

Too bad cell phones hadn't been invented yet. He'd have a free one.
 
I especially like how he was perfectly content to let his wife (another freeloader) go out and work while he sat on his bum and continued to sponge off a conservative. Isn't it great how art imitates life! And the best part, he was always owned by Archie. And still, not too proud to sponge. Hey wait, maybe life imitates art?

Too bad cell phones hadn't been invented yet. He'd have a free one.

He is the perfect example of an Obama voter and the poster child for liberalism.:wstupid:
 
Msnbc is now reporting that idiot on Ct did not use the AR in the killings.

I kind of figured this all along since they never found any .223 casings.

I hate the media.
 
I don't think that idiot could legally possess any firearms to begin with, could he? Convicted murderer and all that... Apparently violent criminals don't care much about the law. Shocking...
 
Which begs the question how he came about those firearms. I mean, if everyone's responsible with their firearms than how could this psychotic clown get access to what... was it three different guns? Clearly, there's some gaps in the system... whether it be the black market (including conventions), and those quote unquote "responsible gun owners" who are quite sloppy managing their firearms (the Newtown school shooting).

I've been thinking long and hard how everyone could keep their firearms/clips while appeasing the anti-gun crowd, and I keep going back to the national guard. If you want to own unlimited/varying firearms than you have to join the national guard (a regulated militia). Not only will you serve your country (with service amended to a local capacity only), but you’ll get all the training necessary to responsibly handle any firearm (thereby further protecting your individual rights – the updated part of the constitution). Most importantly, the national guard could evolve to include social services that screen everyone with psychological exams to weed out – some of – the mentally ill applicants, and offer social services to anyone else in need. Some might argue the costs, but armed guards in schools don’t come cheap either. Others might argue why responsible gun owners should go through all this trouble to which I would counter that a well trained gun owner is a more responsible gun owner (and far more competent than the quote unquote “bad guy” with an illegally obtained firearm). This would also eliminate the need for the NRA along with its polar opposites, and it wouldn’t hurt firearm sales. There’s only one caveat; you’ll have to trust your government, so I concede my idea’s D.O.A. among this crowd.
 
I've been thinking long and hard how everyone could keep their firearms/clips while appeasing the anti-gun crowd, and I keep going back to the national guard. If you want to own unlimited/varying firearms than you have to join the national guard (a regulated militia).

So what happens when you are forced out of the National Guard? Not sure about the NG but the Coast Guard has a max service at 30 years and max age at 60 y.o.

Then what?
 
In general guns used in crimes are stolen guns. How does requiring people to join the national guard prevent criminals from stealing guns from them?
 
Which begs the question how he came about those firearms.

Weren't they supposedly his mother's? And she was the first one he turned them on. Yeah, I guess she should have secured them better. But it was said she would go shooting with him. It was good bonding! He knew how to get to them, and he knew how to use them.

Wrong shooting...
 
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We're talking about two different shootings now. A few days ago some nutbar felon set his own house on fire, then took up a snipers position nearby and started picking off the firefighters who responded. Then shot himself.

As a felon he wasn't supposed to be able to have guns. Clearly making it the law that you have to be in the national guard to own a lot of guns will prevent criminals getting guns.
 
So what happens when you are forced out of the National Guard? Not sure about the NG but the Coast Guard has a max service at 30 years and max age at 60 y.o.
Then what?
Why not expand the NG with limited responsibilities for older folks? They’d make solid role models for younger gun owners. No one said the gov will repossess your guns after you served your term, or reach a certain age.


In general guns used in crimes are stolen guns. How does requiring people to join the national guard prevent criminals from stealing guns from them?
I liken the idea to home ec for gun owners. Maybe some of them could learn better ways to store their guns and/or protect their homes from those would-be thieves, etc, etc... I never said my idea was flawless, but it does seem to tie-in well with one's right to bare arms. It certainly wouldn’t eliminate gun related crimes, but it could mitigate the issue.
 
Why not expand the NG with limited responsibilities for older folks? They’d make solid role models for younger gun owners. No one said the gov will repossess your guns after you served your term, or reach a certain age.



I liken the idea to home ec for gun owners. Maybe some of them could learn better ways to store their guns and/or protect their homes from those would-be thieves, etc, etc... I never said my idea was flawless, but it does seem to tie-in well with one's right to bare arms. It certainly wouldn’t eliminate gun related crimes, but it could mitigate the issue.

All those statements from a person who either comes from a very Socialist country ( Poland) and moved to a country with no individual gun rights( Canada).
Getting his information about the American gun culture from comedy TV shows from the 1970s.

Obviously you never lived in a country where you had any rights to carry a gun for self protection, always guided by your government and used to their guidance and interpretation of what's good for you, so please don' try to force your view on us.
 
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I've got no problem with requiring people to take some sort of a safety course (the NRA courses, etc) before getting guns - I have a problem with people being told what guns they can own, how many, and where, etc. Gun safety courses would be more like home ec for gun owners and we already have it in many states.

That being said gun crime is fairly low in Vermont, with the best gun laws in the world (what gun laws?) and high in DC, Chicago, and other large cities with draconian gun laws. I don't think the problem is laws or controlling what people can buy, it's sociological and mental health related as I've been saying this whole thread. At least, that's what is driving mass shootings; criminals shooting each other, their victims, and their customers up is a whole other problem I'll get to...

A quote from Sen. Leahy, a Democrat from Vermont:
"I mean, that’s an easy answer. It’s interesting; Vermont has the lowest crime rate in the country, lowest or second lowest, and doesn’t have gun control.
You know what WOULD cut down on gun crime? Cracking down on violent crime and actually imprisoning the perps.

You know what would cut down on violent crime in general, especially gang related crime in urban areas? Killing their income source, which is our ridiculous illegal drug issue - gun control works just as well as drug control, unsurprisingly. Both are about as effective as Prohibition was 100 years ago... guess what gave organized crime its first real foothold in this country? Prohibition. Guess what's currently funding gangs and bringing violent mexican drug cartel members into the country? The war on drugs and continued illegality of things less damaging than alcohol.

You know what's filling our prisons with nonviolent offenders? The war on drugs. Sure, it gets the gang members and such too, sometimes... but there isn't much space for them.

Attempting to exert control over substances and inanimate objects such as guns just makes more people into criminals.

I say this as a completely, 100% drug free person. I'm not some rank-ass greasy pothead wearing hemp everything, far from it.



So basically what I'm saying is we should stop our modern day prohibition games, stop worrying about gun control, and start locking violent criminals up for a hell of a lot longer than we do now. Maybe start teaching kids to not be douchebags to each other and work on mental health issues. Eventually the problem will go away.
 
All those statement from a person who either comes from a very Socialist country ( Poland) and moved to a country with no individual gun rights( Canada).
Getting his information about the American gun culture from comedy TV shows from the 1970s.

I could ask you how Poland's very socialist, how Canucks feel deprived of their firearms, or how I was getting my info solely from a 40 year old sitcom, but -- albeit entertaining -- I feel it would strain your brain to a point you'd stop breathing and die.


You know what's filling our prisons with nonviolent offenders? The war on drugs. Sure, it gets the gang members and such too, sometimes... but there isn't much space for them.

Drugs are funding guns in Canada as well. I imagine that half a century from now our grand kids will look back at this era and laugh at our drug enforcement laws. The disparity between the amount of crack and cocaine minimum terms was racist and prison clogging. Doctor’s issued prescriptions for booze during the prohibition era, and they’re doing the same with marijuana today – it’s comical to see politicians fail to realize the parallels.
 
I could ask you how Poland's very socialist, how Canucks feel deprived of their firearms, or how I was getting my info solely from a 40 year old sitcom, but -- albeit entertaining -- I feel it would strain your brain to a point you'd stop breathing and die.

That is actually really easy for me, since I grew up in West Germany. I had the chance to see what is going on in the eastern Block. I also saw how Germany changed toward socialism after the borders opened to the eastern Block Countries.Time for me to get outta there.
The Canadian gun laws are easily found on the internet, no News here.
 
Ahh I see, you understand Poland because you grew up in West Germany. I can't argue with that logic.

No, i understand Poland cause my mother was born in Danzig (Poland)and the political situation over there during my time in Germany and her trying to get her family over to the west taught me a lot about socialism and communism.
But that is not here or there, lets get back on topic.
 
No, i understand Poland cause my mother was born in Danzig (Poland)and the political situation over there during my time in Germany and her trying to get her family over to the west taught me a lot about socialism and communism.
Not enough apparently since you tried to derail this conversation by implying Poland was a very socialist country of its own free will (thereby implying I had a socialist agenda). FYI, Poland was given to the Soviet Union by the Americans and the Brits after WWII, many fought communism to their deaths, and West Germany did not, suddenly, become socialist because of Poland after the Iron Curtain fell. Moreso, you cannot compare todays US/Canadian relationship to that of West Germany and Poland in any way shape for form.

You want to get back to the conversation, fine, than stop trolling.
 
another well written one
http://www.forbes.com/sites/lawrencehun ... citizenry/

It is time the critics of the Second Amendment put up and repeal it, or shut up about violating it. Their efforts to disarm and short-arm Americans violate the U.S. Constitution in Merriam Webster’s first sense of the term—to “disregard” it.

Hard cases make bad law, which is why they are reserved for the Constitution, not left to the caprice of legislatures, the sophistry and casuistry of judges or the despotic rule making of the chief executive and his bureaucracy. And make no mistake, guns pose one of the hardest cases a free people confronts in the 21st century, a test of whether that people cherishes liberty above tyranny, values individual sovereignty above dependency on the state, and whether they dare any longer to live free.

A people cannot simultaneously live free and be bound to any human master or man-made institution, especially to politicians, judges, bureaucrats and faceless government agencies. The Second Amendment along with the other nine amendments of the Bill of Rights was designed to prevent individuals’ enslavement to government, not just to guarantee people the right to hunt squirrels or sport shoot at targets, nor was it included in the Bill of Rights just to guarantee individuals the right to defend themselves against robbers, rapers and lunatics, or to make sure the states could raise a militia quick, on the cheap to defend against a foreign invader or domestic unrest.

The Second Amendment was designed to ensure that individuals retained the right and means to defend themselves against any illegitimate attempt to do them harm, be it an attempt by a private outlaw or government agents violating their trust under the color of law. The Second Amendment was meant to guarantee individuals the right to protect themselves against government as much as against private bad guys and gangs.

That is why the gun grabbers’ assault on firearms is not only, not even primarily an attack merely on the means of self-defense but more fundamentally, the gun grabbers are engaged in a blatant attack on the very legitimacy of self-defense itself. It’s not really about the guns; it is about the government’s ability to demand submission of the people. Gun control is part and parcel of the ongoing collectivist effort to eviscerate individual sovereignty and replace it with dependence upon and allegiance to the state.

Americans provisionally delegated a limited amount of power over themselves to government, retaining their individual sovereignty in every respect and reserving to themselves the power not delegated to government, most importantly the right and power to abolish or replace any government that becomes destructive of the ends for which it was created. The Bill of Rights, especially the Second and Ninth Amendments, can only be properly understood and rightly interpreted in this context.

Politicians who insist on despoiling the Constitution just a little bit for some greater good (gun control for “collective security”) are like a blackguard who lies to an innocent that she can yield to his advances, retain her virtue and risk getting only just a little bit pregnant—a seducer’s lie. The people either have the right to own and bear arms, or they don’t, and to the extent legislators, judges and bureaucrats disparage that right, they are violating the U.S. Constitution as it was originally conceived, and as it is currently amended. To those who would pretend the Second Amendment doesn’t exist or insist it doesn’t mean what it says, there is only one legitimate response: “If you don’t like the Second Amendment, you may try to repeal it but short of that you may not disparage and usurp it, even a little bit, as long as it remains a part of the Constitution, no exceptions, no conniving revisions, no fabricated judicial balancing acts.”

Gun control advocates attempt to avoid the real issue of gun rights—why the Founders felt so strongly about gun rights that they singled them out for special protection in the Bill of Rights—by demanding that individual rights be balanced against a counterfeit collective right to “security” from things that go bump in the night. But, the Bill of Rights was not a Bill of Entitlements that people had a right to demand from government; it was a Bill of Protections against the government itself. The Founders understood that the right to own and bear laws is as fundamental and as essential to maintaining liberty as are the rights of free speech, a free press, freedom of religion and the other protections against government encroachments on liberty delineated in the Bill of Rights.

That is why the most egregious of the fallacious arguments used to justify gun control are designed to short-arm the citizenry (e.g., banning so-called “assault rifles”) by restricting the application of the Second Amendment to apply only to arms that do not pose a threat to the government’s self-proclaimed monopoly on the use of force. To that end, the gun grabbers first must bamboozle people into believing the Second Amendment does not really protect an individual’s right to own and bear firearms.

They do that by insisting on a tortured construction of the Second Amendment that converts individual rights into states rights. The short-arm artists assert that the Second Amendment’s reference to the necessity of a “well-regulated militia” proves the amendment is all about state’s rights, not individuals rights; it was written into the Bill of Rights simply to guarantee that state governments could assemble a fighting force quick, on the cheap to defend against foreign invasion and domestic disturbance. Consequently, Second-Amendment revisionists would have us believe the Second Amendment does little more than guarantee the right of states to maintain militias; and, since the state militias were replaced by the National Guard in the early twentieth century, the Second Amendment has virtually no contemporary significance. Gun controllers would, in effect, do to the Second Amendment what earlier collectivizers and centralizers did to the Tenth Amendment, namely render it a dead letter.

The truth is, the Founders understood a “well regulated” militia to mean a militia “functioning/operating properly,” not a militia “controlled or managed by the government.” This is clearly evidenced by Alexander Hamilton’s discussion of militias in Federalist #29 and by one of the Oxford Dictionary’s archaic definitions of “regulate;” “(b) Of troops: Properly disciplined.”

The Founders intended that a well-regulated militia was to be the first, not the last line of defense against a foreign invader or social unrest. But, they also intended militias to be the last, not the first line of defense against tyrannical government. In other words, the Second Amendment was meant to be the constitutional protection for a person’s musket behind the door, later the shotgun behind the door and today the M4 behind the door—a constitutional guarantee of the right of individuals to defend themselves against any and all miscreants, private or government, seeking to do them harm.

The unfettered right to own and bear arms consecrates individual sovereignty and ordains the right of self-defense. The Second Amendment symbolizes and proclaims individuals’ right to defend themselves personally against any and all threatened deprivations of life, liberty or property, including attempted deprivations by the government. The symbolism of a heavily armed citizenry says loudly and unequivocally to the government, “Don’t Tread On Me.”

Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence said, “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”

Both Jefferson and James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, also knew that their government would never fear a people without guns, and they understood as well that the greatest threat to liberty was not foreign invasion or domestic unrest but rather a standing army and a militarized police force without fear of the people and capable of inflicting tyranny upon the people.

That is what prompted Madison to contrast the new national government he had helped create to the kingdoms of Europe, which he characterized as “afraid to trust the people with arms.” Madison assured his fellow Americans that under the new Constitution as amended by the Bill of Rights, they need never fear their government because of “the advantage of being armed.”

But, Noah Webster said it most succinctly and most eloquently:

““Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.”

That is why the Founders looked to local militias as much to provide a check—in modern parlance, a “deterrent”—against government tyranny as against an invading foreign power. Guns are individuals’ own personal nuclear deterrent against their own government gone rogue. Therefore, a heavily armed citizenry is the ultimate deterrent against tyranny.

A heavily armed citizenry is not about armed revolt; it is about defending oneself against armed government oppression. A heavily armed citizenry is not about overthrowing the government; it is about preventing the government from overthrowing liberty. A people stripped of their right of self defense is defenseless against their own government.
 
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