Why do liberal minded people like yourself always want to throw the blame on everyone BUT the person committing the crime? I shouldn't have to take extra steps to keep some thug from breaking into my house and stealing my stuff.
Yes you should; not doing so only compounds the problem for you down the road (think how this debate started, and where the gun came from - a mother with a mindset that most-likely paralleled yours -- that was in no way an insult towards you or your children).
I don't daydream of our country falling apart, but why should I not be prepared? It's not like we've seen civil unrest and mobs of looters after natural disasters and the like. You want to restrict my ability to defend my property and my life after a natural disaster?
Finally, natural disasters. That actually makes sense, and it's something I can stand behind. Certainly, not the tyrannical government bull crap you've been spoon feeding me for 20 some pages. Quite frankly, no amount of ARs or hi-capacity clips would stop the US government from thinning out its population. Especially when they can send a drone to blow up DrMoab's yellow Jeep, or just nuke the crap out of XJEEPER's neighbourhood (well... all of Utah). That's why the very notion of confronting US tyranny with personal firearms is a moot point. Natural disasters, personal defense, sport and collecting are different stories altogether.
The NRA offered to pay for it all chief. Just like they fund the gun safety programs that used to be in every school. never heard of the eddie eagle program?
http://eddieeagle.nra.org/
Wait what? First is says there's a "nominal fee" so it's not free, and WTF does Eddie the Eagle have to do with armed guards at schools? He's not armed and talons don't count.
I am far more concerned with our fiscal collapse than any tyranny, but how do you think we arrive at tyranny? You don't think marshal law gets declared after a fiscal collapse and the masses turn on each other for basic needs like food? Before you dismiss this as a possibility I'd like to to do some research on recent history, like the economic collapse in Argentina and how people had to survive there.
Sweet Jesus, again with the tyranny. There must be a parrot perching somewhere in your family tree.
I'll tell you what, in an effort to ease your hypothetical tyrannical worries; Canada will hypothetically help you out with hypothetical rations of moose meat and maple syrup. We're allot closer to you guys than Argentina too.
The new executive orders are going to cost the federal government another 500 million dollars. Exactly what is the reward for that money? Do you really think that gun violence will be affected by this?
Honestly, I think it's too late because this matter has gone untreated for far too long (with a lack of reasonable regulations that don't strip anyone of their arms or pocketbooks of course). Than again, allot of Obamas executive orders seem somewhat productive and infringe very little on responsible gun owners:
1.Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2.Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3.Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4.Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rule making to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6.Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7.Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8.Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9.Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10.Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11.Nominate an ATF director.
12.Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13.Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14.Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15.Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16.Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17.Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18.Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19.Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20.Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21.Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22.Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23.Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
Ryan, you answered the question....because they usually are irrational. Rational people are only one or two triggers away from doing something irrational. Think about how many times there has been a campfire where someone has a little too much to drink and starts running their mouths causing discontent, 1-2 too many triggers in this example drinks.
About your response to 420blackXJ; I'm fairly liberal and I can tell you without hesitation that there is only one possibly two people to blame for the tragedy, the shooter and his mother. I only say his mother based on my belief she probably had an inkling about this kids mental state and either did not lock up her guns, or provided him with the combination.
This whole debate will rage for a vey long time.
I'm obliged to agree with the second paragraph.
I would not blame the mother YET, Who knows what he did to her to get the guns, before he killed her?
When the authorities finally let us know what they found, we will know more about who is to blame.
Either way the mental health system in the USA sucks.
The one fact that stands about about most (Or all?) of the Mass shooters of the past 3 decades is that they were taking some serious psychotropic drugs.
http://www.cchrint.org/2012/07/20/schoolshootings-drugs/
Mental health issues suck everywhere unfortunately... and preventative programs are often the victim of a weak economy.
I've thought about that too. The sad thing is if he tortured her or something to get the guns we will never know. That severely screw with the idiots ideas of being responsible to secure your weapons.
That's what autopsies are for.
oh so can anyone explain why gun murders have been going DOWN ever year for quite a few years now?
anyone? i mean since 04 and the sunset of the fed AWB it's gotten better actually while gun ownership has more than doubled. anyone explain that?
That's a very good point and question.... unfortunately, it cannot be answered since the NRA lobbies against gun research.
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/25/the_nras_war_on_gun_science/
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