Americans: So quick to give to the world, yet so blind to thier own issues

[5-90]

It is not like college grads are smarter than non-grads..... it just shows they can stick out an insane situation for a given amount of time, and as such will be abobe a non-grad in the hiring pool.

So, is college the only "insane" situation we are expected to be able to stick out? What about the six years I spent in USAF instead of the four I spent in college? Add in that four and a half of those were in SOCOM, I think I've got an edge over these "college" kids for dealing with insane situations, but since I didn't finish college, I get beaten out by them when it comes time for a job (and I'm not going to get started on qualifications...)

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[Glenn B]

That is a completely different subject than what he was wanting a "break" for. The norm for many corporate employers is to view Vets as insane. Some are, most aren't.

So, is college the only "insane" situation we are expected to be able to stick out? What about the six years I spent in USAF instead of the four I spent in college? Add in that four and a half of those were in SOCOM, I think I've got an edge over these "college" kids for dealing with insane situations, but since I didn't finish college, I get beaten out by them when it comes time for a job (and I'm not going to get started on qualifications...)

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[5-90]

That is a completely different subject than what he was wanting a "break" for. The norm for many corporate employers is to view Vets as insane. Some are, most aren't.

Yeah - it's a given that there's something wrong with us. We were dumb enough to enlist (some of us even moreso - I really ENJOYED jumping out of airplanes!)

The question stands - why should a college grad get a job over someone who hasn't gone to - or finished - college when qualifications are otherwise equal? Moreover, why should a lesser-qualified college-educated individual get the job over anyone else? You laugh - I've seen it happen (and it's got a lot to do with why I've finally gone back to school...)

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[bchulett]

All it takes is a pregnancy to change that concept... you heard about the old lady that just had twins?... or was it triplets?

Brings a whole new vision to desperate housewives.

Here's a thought - why not a bunch of people who aren't going to have kids, or whose kids are grown, get together and start a district somewhere where there is no school, therefore no teachers/principals/school board/people to kvetch, and therefore can safely lower the property taxes due to no educational expenses? Any comments?

After all, why pay for a service you don't need, IF you can get a bunch of people who don't need the service to get together and agree they don't need it...

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[bchulett]

Pay me .... to do what?

The only time you would see me in Alaska is during Halibut season... and for a few healthy Kings.

You do know they PAY you to live in Alaska though..right?

 

[dyna]

I never could understand how people will go overseas to help but will spit on the helpless here. It would seem their traitors who pose a self righetous individuals. I agree with a previous post regarding welfare. I`ve seen with my own eyes how it works. They will give x per week, and if you were to get a job to help yourself out and now only needed 1/2 of your welfars allotment they wont do it. Your told either work and drop welfare. or stay on it 100%. this obviously creates a senario which will force you to sit on your ass. People really dont want to get their hands dirty so they send money overseas, it looks good or politically correct. Dont get me wrong, there are genuine folks who need a helping hand and thats what welfare was for. not for a million wets to bilk it. I am currently working with a contractor from Canada. It amazes to hear what they must do to work in the US. As a Canada based co. They must apply for a work visa here which is good for 1 year only. When its out they must wait 1 year before applying again. I dont see them requiring wets to do this. they have goverment Medical, It take easy 5-8 months for avaliability of a doctor to do a major surgery, heart, brain, etc. I dont think you can wait this long, could you?
For a good laugh go rent " A day without a mexican".
Happy turkey day all.

 

[Urban Redneck]

I never could understand how people will go overseas to help but will spit on the helpless here. It would seem their traitors who pose a self righetous individuals. I agree with a previous post regarding welfare. I`ve seen with my own eyes how it works. They will give x per week, and if you were to get a job to help yourself out and now only needed 1/2 of your welfars allotment they wont do it. Your told either work and drop welfare. or stay on it 100%. this obviously creates a senario which will force you to sit on your ass. People really dont want to get their hands dirty so they send money overseas, it looks good or politically correct. Dont get me wrong, there are genuine folks who need a helping hand and thats what welfare was for. not for a million wets to bilk it. I am currently working with a contractor from Canada. It amazes to hear what they must do to work in the US. As a Canada based co. They must apply for a work visa here which is good for 1 year only. When its out they must wait 1 year before applying again. I dont see them requiring wets to do this. they have goverment Medical, It take easy 5-8 months for avaliability of a doctor to do a major surgery, heart, brain, etc. I dont think you can wait this long, could you?
For a good laugh go rent " A day without a mexican".
Happy turkey day all.

These "wets" as you call them can bust ass more than anyother group out there. I have four Mexican employees, if that's what you mean by "wets". They put in as many hours as needed to get the job done and don't bitch about overtime. Most of them work a second job to get ahead. There are just as many Polish/Russian/Ukrainian illegals in Chicago as there are Mexican. Remember all the problems with the Canadian healthcare system when the next Democrap wants to move us toward socialized/government medical.
It's not about people not wanting to get their hands dirty. Maybe people are sick and tired of people bashing this country, giving the free handout to any group that crys for it. After years of giving to these programs, there has been no return on investment. For all the money poured into these programs, they should have solved the homeless "problem". Next time someone asks you for money to help the homeless ask them what they are doing to help, other than begging. Ask them if they have any homeless living with them. Bet they walk right away from you and move on...

 

[catyrpelius]

The question stands - why should a college grad get a job over someone who hasn't gone to - or finished - college when qualifications are otherwise equal? Moreover, why should a lesser-qualified college-educated individual get the job over anyone else?

im going to cellege and i dont know shit about anything, ive got no real world experince but i can integrate and diferentiate, and even i dont see why haveing a college education is any better then haveing actual experince in whatever field it is. If i was an employer i wouldnt care about college education id care about what the person knows. what good is it to hire a recent college grad engineer if he doesnt know jack about machining and production, and this is exactly the way college works, stuff there head full of calculus, differential equations and obscure algebra and dont teach them jack about how anything works or is made. this is what ****es me off about college.

And hell if a recent emmigrant gets a tax break why shouldnt i get a tax break why the hell should i have to work harder to pay for minority single moms???

 

[Urban Redneck]

im going to cellege and i dont know shit about anything, ive got no real world experince but i can integrate and diferentiate, and even i dont see why haveing a college education is any better then haveing actual experince in whatever field it is. If i was an employer i wouldnt care about college education id care about what the person knows. what good is it to hire a recent college grad engineer if he doesnt know jack about machining and production, and this is exactly the way college works, stuff there head full of calculus, differential equations and obscure algebra and dont teach them jack about how anything works or is made. this is what ****es me off about college.

And hell if a recent emmigrant gets a tax break why shouldnt i get a tax break why the hell should i have to work harder to pay for minority single moms???

A lot of employers look for people who can spell and form complete sentences. Doesn't look like they are teaching that these days...

 

[bchulett]

I think catyrpelius (what is that a book worm?) is either playing games or he's inflicted with MPD.

He's playin with his own quotes... you've been punked !

A lot of employers look for people who can spell and form complete sentences. Doesn't look like they are teaching that these days...

 

[catyrpelius]

Im just a recent product of the edumacation system lol

 

[bchulett]

That's why you're not an employer.

Finish your engineering degree. You'll need it in your back pocket someday when you want to move away from supporting a production line ... to managing a production facility, the resources, and the financials.

With all the competition you're faced with today, you'd be lucky to get an interview without it.

If i was an employer i wouldnt care about college education id care about what the person knows. what good is it to hire a recent college grad engineer if he doesnt know jack about machining and production, and this is exactly the way college works, stuff there head full of calculus, differential equations and obscure algebra and dont teach them jack about how anything works or is made. this is what ****es me off about college.

 

[catyrpelius]

from what most people say about the job market for engineers these days ill be lucky to get a job working in some cubical farm. ahhh the things i get to look forward to

 

[bchulett]

Don't get discouraged .... the company I work for just hired a boat load of tech ops engineers. Take what you can get from the system ... do the time and get that piece of paper.

Lean toward Medical Device or Biotech manufacturing ... huge growth market due to the aging baby boomers getting ready for the bone yard. Those industries are heavily controlled by the FDA, and rarely taken offshore.

 

[catyrpelius]

i was originally thinking about mechanical enginering, hadnt realy looked much into biotech or nething else for that matter

 

[steve01XJ]

In Chicago there is an outragous sum paid for education, something like $20K per year per student. It may be higher or lower, I don't remember the exact number. The private school I work at has a tuition of $17K per year. That is for class sizes that are 8 students per 1 teacher, college prep courses and a host of other things. For the amount Chicago is paying, they could send each student to class in private limos.[/QUOTE]

But what you do not mention is that private schools can turn away kids with special needs (like my brother who is deaf - he had to go to Hersey when we would have liked to send him to St. Viator), handicaps, learning disabilities and behavior problems. These students have the highest cost to educate, and the public schools have to bear the full burden of these costs. This leaves private schools with more resources to teach easier kids to handle.

 

[Dragon_Fly]

Bio-Med Engineer
Cytology



those are two degrees that lead to jobs and good pay. most of the schools in cytology are on the east coast. I thought about cyto but cant afford to move. there are a few others in the health field for the Lab. if you dont mind working about human remains, smells, blood, etc... I worked in a lab for a period of time as a work study. Nothing like cravin up a human leg from the hip down to the toes testing for cancer. They removed the whole leg from the guy. Not all blood smells the same either... meds can make it stink and diffuse through out the lab. Then there are the trips to the morg... oh wait... its turkey day... sorry.... most of us in this field or have worked in the field begin to have odd sense of humor.

As for the original intention of the thread. I myself have traveled through out the world. I have been to many countries such as Thailand, middle east, Russia, China, Africa, Australia, etc... (next place will be New Zealand).
I have visited and even tempory dwelled in poverty areas in some of those countries. I have seen the world for what it is and how others feel about us (Or at least those places I have been). I think we spend way to much money around the world buying friends. Basically thats what the government is doing. People in our country need to learn to help themselves. What I mean by this is we need to learn to help those in our own community. Right now I am back in college. I have very little money. I really cant even afford to fix up my XJ but I am stretching my paychecks as I go. My wife isn't working and I have three kids. But we find the time to give to our local community. This would include clothes, food, etc.. to women/childrens/veterans centers. Maybe just donate a dollar or what ever we can afford to give even if its just 50 cents. We give some to the local animal shelters. I'm not an animal person but it gets the strays off the streets. I guess in my mind set little things like this add up. I saw an add in USA Today that stated Autozone was teaming up for the USO to take donations for the Troops. All the money goes to the USO for the Troops. I went and donated a dollar. I stayed and watched for some time. Out of all the people no others were willing to donate even a dollar. How sad.
I came back later that day to see if anyone else donated. Only one dollar was given for our troops that whole day.
My daughters are girl scouts... door to door asking for food donations... not very fruitfull. Lots of talk.
Im certainly not trying to pat myself on the back... and this isnt a fulltime job, Im not a social worker, etc... but if everyone gave like we do, which is very little and what we can afford... I think things would get better.
I feel the gov should cut off the dead weight and cancerous leeches and pay attention to our own people.

ahh.... the wife is calling me.... got to go... still have more to say.... maybe later.

 

[poomba]

Probably, it's partly an issue of scale..MOST Americans have options. Maybe working a second job at the fast food place isn't a lot of fun..but it's an option to dig yourself out of a hole. I was looking at the Second Harvest web site today, and the various states, and while some are insecure about a steady food supply, employment itself was all 90 percent or better..in third world countries affected by war...employment can be 25 percent..period. So, we (america) give. It's not a bad thing. Some would say, it's a safety valve, to address issues of poverty and crime to lessen frustration overseas, prevents some problems from coming to our own shores.
That aside, to address your real issue, Americans could whip poverty and education problems if they truly wished to. We put enough crap in our sinuses and veins in a single year to cure most social ills for a decade. But sure, when you read about how many billions we're gonna spend on a country that's actively trying to kill our people, you have to wonder, but the people on the ground realize some over there are worth saving, but to do so, and make a future worth living for our own people..you have to invest in that future to allow it to come about.

 

[Urban Redneck]

But what you do not mention is that private schools can turn away kids with special needs (like my brother who is deaf - he had to go to Hersey when we would have liked to send him to St. Viator), handicaps, learning disabilities and behavior problems. These students have the highest cost to educate, and the public schools have to bear the full burden of these costs. This leaves private schools with more resources to teach easier kids to handle.

Does it still cost $20K per year per child to teach them? You could hire a private tutor for cheaper. Take out the behavior problem children, send them to a different school. They did it when I was growing up, not that long ago, either. Sorry you brother couldn't go to Viator, it happens. There are tons of kids that apply to my school and don't get in. But guess what, people don't get into Harvard, Brown or Vasser, either. The kids at my school may be easier to handle, but they bust their ass to stay there. There are plenty that get moved out if their grades slide. One of the major problems with teaching today is that they don't teach to the median. They teach to the lower end of the scale, the slowest kid. That leaves the higher level kids being bored and uninterested. Now schools around me aren't going to grade papers with a red pen. Because some feelings get hurt when a child sees a paper come back with red marks on it. Give me a f***ing break! If the parents and teachers wouldn't treat these kids like they belong in a bubble. There is no "real" world teaching any more. The kids learn that if you don't like the way it is, complain. If that doesn't work, sue. If that doesn't work, claim victimization.

 

[Brian Felts]

Hasta Hasta Hasta After reading this thread my insomnia is cured.Guess what?For all the problems this country may or may not have,It is still the best darn thing goin.Get up early,go to work,pay your bills ang quit your gripin.Ther has been givers and takers since the begining of time and there always will be.This world is just as rotten and at the same time wonderfull as it ever was. Human nature never changes.My family is sooo blessed that things always work out even when there appears to be no way.That my friends is why I put my faith in God and not govt.Let the flames begin!!!!!!!! Here Beezil,Beezil ,Beezil!!!! LOL Just a humble opinion from a redneck jeepin Jesus Freak! :us: :wave: :rattle: