American Made Stuff

[HaleYes]

Im waiting for "Then in got to thinking, flipped her over and guess what?? Made in China" LOL :doh:

I seen a stipper once with that tattoo, "Made in China" on her hip.

 

[Blaine B.]

Ever heard of the Oriental Trading Company? Oh my God, what a bunch of crap. The wife loves to oder shit from there for birthday party treat bags. Just crap on crap. Unbelieveable.

I've heard of it, I think my mom had a few of their catalogs.

 

[98XJSport]

This is the same as the immigration discussions. Businesses wants to expand it's profit margin. To do so they either need to raise the cost of the item (which can lose business) or decrease the cost of producing said item (which has no effect on sales). Which would you do? The Chinese sweatshops and illegal immigrant farmers make it all possible.

And this made in china label stuff reminds me of the chucky movie I watched the other night...

 

[XJ Dreamin']

I've heard of it, I think my mom had a few of their catalogs.

Find one of those card & party supply stores. Exact same stuff, just shipped wholesale instead of resale.

 

[Teellandor]

Crap! I knew I misspelled it and I was to busy to fix it and now I got busted for it. No gold star for bradlybob today!

Nope. you get a frowny face for that.

Back on topic: I just remembered that there are a lot of vehicles built here in the States. In fact (if I remember correctly), every Honda Civic sold around the world is built in the USA.

It's sad that names like Coleman and Carhart outsources their product now, though.

<shrugs>

Maybe we're still considered producers of quality crap. The 5gal jugs I mentioned were like six bucks a peice for the Chinese ones. Wear one out in a season and it doesn't hurt so bad. Everything just has to be disposable these days, and China seems to be good at that sort of thing.

Similar products made on this side of the ocean will last longer, but are also more expensive. People figure it's a wash to buy two items that only last, say, a year every year rather than buy one that'll last two years.

 

[ECKSJAY]

So if your gonna be a jerk, people will ignore you after a while.

Apparently not you, though. :kissyou:

:looser:

 

[XJ Dreamin']

Nope. you get a frowny face for that.

Back on topic: I just remembered that there are a lot of vehicles built here in the States. In fact (if I remember correctly), every Honda Civic sold around the world is built in the USA.

It's sad that names like Coleman and Carhart outsources their product now, though.

<shrugs>

Maybe we're still considered producers of quality crap. The 5gal jugs I mentioned were like six bucks a peice for the Chinese ones. Wear one out in a season and it doesn't hurt so bad. Everything just has to be disposable these days, and China seems to be good at that sort of thing.

Similar products made on this side of the ocean will last longer, but are also more expensive. People figure it's a wash to buy two items that only last, say, a year every year rather than buy one that'll last two years.

Well, if we keep coddling the immigrant workers they'll grind the labor standard in the US down so low that stuff made here will beat the shipping costs form China. Just be prepared to work 16hrs/day, 6 days/week with no benefits.

 

[Teellandor]

Well, if we keep coddling the immigrant workers they'll grind the labor standard in the US down so low that stuff made here will beat the shipping costs form China. Just be prepared to work 16hrs/day, 6 days/week with no benefits.

That may be why I'm a dues paying union member.

 

[ECKSJAY]

That may be why I'm a dues paying union member.

THERE is something to be proud of. It's the unions that have forced labor overseas. :conceited

 

[XJ Dreamin']

THERE is something to be proud of. It's the unions that have forced labor overseas. :conceited

So lets go back to 1907. Do you think that the US would be where it is today if the work standards of 100 years ago had never improved beyond 12-year-old-kids slaving 16 hours a day in dust filled factories? Do you think you'd be able to afford the computers and hi-fi's and big screens and Jeeps if somebody hadn't fought to improve the work standard in this country? We talk about those who have died to make this country great. A lot of plain ol' American workers put their lives and families on the line to improve the standard of living in these United States.

So, did unions get greedy? Well, so did management. Unions and management are both run by human beings and everybody got greedy. But, lets look at something: How much can a US worker buy with the money he/she earns? How much can a chinese worker buy with the money he/she earns? Not the few in China who are skimming the money flow, but the worker in the factory making the rubber sole that is shipped here for assembly. How much can that Chinese tennis shoe sole maker buy, and how much can the US tennis shoe assembler (sp?) buy? According to a study conducted every 3 years by a Swiss bank, it takes the average American worker 13 minutes to earn a Big Mac (according to the Swiss, the Big Mac is one of the few commodities available in all target cities world wide :looney: ) while it takes a laborer in Beijing 44 minutes! In Shanghai it takes 33 minutes. It's over an hour to 1.5hrs in Central and South America, Africa and other 3rd world nations.

The question is: What gave the US the standard of living that we are floating on today, and how are we going to maintain it? Going back to 1907 pre-union labor practices is not real attractive to me.

 

[Dirk Pitt]

So lets go back to 1907. Do you think that the US would be where it is today if the work standards of 100 years ago had never improved beyond 12-year-old-kids slaving 16 hours a day in dust filled factories? Do you think you'd be able to afford the computers and hi-fi's and big screens and Jeeps if somebody hadn't fought to improve the work standard in this country? We talk about those who have died to make this country great. A lot of plain ol' American workers put their lives and families on the line to improve the standard of living in these United States.

So, did unions get greedy? Well, so did management. Unions and management are both run by human beings and everybody got greedy. But, lets look at something: How much can a US worker buy with the money he/she earns? How much can a chinese worker buy with the money he/she earns? Not the few in China who are skimming the money flow, but the worker in the factory making the rubber sole that is shipped here for assembly. How much can that Chinese tennis shoe sole maker buy, and how much can the US tennis shoe assembler (sp?) buy? According to a study conducted every 3 years by a Swiss bank, it takes the average American worker 13 minutes to earn a Big Mac (according to the Swiss, the Big Mac is one of the few commodities available in all target cities world wide :looney: ) while it takes a laborer in Beijing 44 minutes! In Shanghai it takes 33 minutes. It's over an hour to 1.5hrs in Central and South America, Africa and other 3rd world nations.

The question is: What gave the US the standard of living that we are floating on today, and how are we going to maintain it? Going back to 1907 pre-union labor practices is not real attractive to me.

You missed one point...

It isn't 1907. Fast forward 100 years. In 1907 unions were an important entity, today they are the anti-christ. They have out-stayed their welcome.

Yes, I was once a member of a union. Yes, I hated every minute of it.

 

[karstic]

So if your gonna be a jerk, people will ignore you after a while.

Who says we pay any attention to him anyways?

 

[XJ Dreamin']

You missed one point...

It isn't 1907. Fast forward 100 years. In 1907 unions were an important entity, today they are the anti-christ. They have out-stayed their welcome.

Yes, I was once a member of a union. Yes, I hated every minute of it.

Well, without representation it won't take long for management and government to join forces and drive the labor force to its knees. They've got a good start on it already. I say 'the standard living of we're floating on today' because there is nothing in place at this time to prevent a return to 1907. Why do you think the administration is so bent on keeping the immigrant work force? There is a word that describes labor imported for the purpose undercutting the bargining power of the incumbent workers. Anybody remember that word?

 

[RichP]

Well, without representation it won't take long for management and government to join forces and drive the labor force to its knees. They've got a good start on it already. I say 'the standard living of we're floating on today' because there is nothing in place at this time to prevent a return to 1907. Why do you think the administration is so bent on keeping the immigrant work force? There is a word that describes labor imported for the purpose undercutting the bargining power of the incumbent workers. Anybody remember that word?

In the case of the 60's blacks moving into an all white neighborhood it was called 'block busting' where a white buyer would actually do a straw sale to a black family.
My guess it's called union busting.

 

[RyanM]

:greensmok

 

[PETEY]

THERE is something to be proud of. It's the unions that have forced labor overseas. :conceited

True. If given a choice between a "widget a" made in china for $5.00 and a "widget b" for $10.00 made in the USA, it's a matter of simple economics and my wallet.

The additional cost of operations will always be passed on to the consumer. Union members are also consumers ya know. more pay = more cost.

 

[XJ Dreamin']

In the case of the 60's blacks moving into an all white neighborhood it was called 'block busting' where a white buyer would actually do a straw sale to a black family.
My guess it's called union busting.

Close, but I was thinking of the word for laborers that management bring in to replace incumbent workers and undercut their bargining power. Come now! If anybody ever stood a picket line, you know the word.

 

[RichP]

Close, but I was thinking of the word for laborers that management bring in to replace incumbent workers and undercut their bargining power. Come now! If anybody ever stood a picket line, you know the word.

oh, that one 'SCABS'

 

[bjoehandley]

True. If given a choice between a "widget a" made in china for $5.00 and a "widget b" for $10.00 made in the USA, it's a matter of simple economics and my wallet.

The additional cost of operations will always be passed on to the consumer. Union members are also consumers ya know. more pay = more cost.

I'd prefer spending the twice the money if it goes to support a comany in this country. And I'm proudly Non-Union too if you're wondering.

 

[PETEY]

I'd prefer spending the twice the money if it goes to support a comany in this country. And I'm proudly Non-Union too if you're wondering.

of course, but we shouldn't have to spend twice as much to support our countrymen.