- Location
- Fort Wayne, IN
I love my 8" blackout. I shoot powder coated cast subs through a form 1 suppressor. Sounds like a staple gun.
All Things Guns
- Thread starter XJosh95
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- Location
- Indiana-Missouri
you should pay attention to the signs!
don't give those gun zone creating ass lickers your money!
terrehautian
NAXJA Forum User
- Location
- Terre Haute
D.C. is trying hard to be a gun free zone without being one but is losing.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...333e7_story.html?wprss=rss_crime&tid=sm_tw_pl
https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...333e7_story.html?wprss=rss_crime&tid=sm_tw_pl
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- 29°58'28.9"N 99°15'15.5"W
Hey, send me a copy of one of your letters you wrote to Granger. My bank just put one of those stupid signs up and I need something better than, "Take the sign down asshole, only criminals obey them you moron." to tell them.
Also Stiener Electric put them up.
I would like to educate people.
I guess I will be only going through the drive through at the bank for a while.
- Location
- Northwest Ohio
Yep, need to get some molds so I can make cheap subsonic loads and have some quiet fun.
Make your own or buy them? I'm trying to find a decent mold, don't know if I should just get a lee for now or just bite the bullet and get a better more expensive one. Might just get the lee since I'm just getting into casting.
RedHeep
NAXJA #1499
- Location
- Landenberg, PA
- Location
- 29°58'28.9"N 99°15'15.5"W
- Location
- Indiana-Missouri
Seany,
here is the thread on it. It includes the letter i began the initiative with, and you can see on the thread how much other pressure we placed on them.
Our approach is one with careful consideration, displaying intelligence and respect. We lead with logic, data and information....best we can
Even though those ****sticks have the capability to make you want to resort to foul, base tactics, you gotta use restraint.
this thread is a good example of how we've been getting it done.
page 4 has grainger's response back to me.
good luck with your bank, and if you feel you'd like some help with it, post up at illinoiscarry. don't be too concerned if a thread like that doesn't get traction right away.....right now, we're dealing with this dealer licensing scheme the anti's are trying to run through committee right now.
btw.....there's traction gaining on suppressors right now that looks good....wildlife code only until we can get a bigger foothold.
http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=54093&hl=grainger&page=1
all the lee stuff I have is decent.
we should get together and have bang bang fun sometime. You can't be more than two hours away in northwest ohio.
Hey guys, been watching this thread for a while. Just wanted some opinions on AR15's. This will be my first AR. I don't want to build the first one but that's definitely on the list. Can anyone touch on what the law is for 16" or less barrels. I live in Michigan if that makes a difference. I've been looking at a few different Daniel Defense, mainly the MK18 or V7 LW. Any other suggestion? Better bang for the buck? Pros cons? Any information would be great.
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RedHeep
NAXJA #1499
- Location
- Landenberg, PA
Anything less than 16" requires a tax stamp. That includes 14.5" barrels with a removable flash hider that would make it 16". Anything with a short barrel must have a flash hider permanently installed (pinned or welded) to get it to 16".
Building an AR is seriously easy. If you want to build one, build one. There's a metric shit ton of info on the internet.
Spend good money on a barrel and a trigger. Spend medium money on a BCG and a free float hand rail. The rest is all mil spec and one upper/lower is pretty much the same as another. Find the deals and buy what works for your budget.
I have about $750 in my 5.56 AR and it shoots better than I do and I'm not bad at shooting.
Building an AR is seriously easy. If you want to build one, build one. There's a metric shit ton of info on the internet.
Spend good money on a barrel and a trigger. Spend medium money on a BCG and a free float hand rail. The rest is all mil spec and one upper/lower is pretty much the same as another. Find the deals and buy what works for your budget.
I have about $750 in my 5.56 AR and it shoots better than I do and I'm not bad at shooting.
BRIANHO13
<- Yum Chocolate
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- Spring, TX
Keep an eye on palmetto state armory for ar stuff. I have about 450 in one, and it's a ss barreled at that.
That's what I needed to hear! There's an overload of information on the web. Sometimes people say build, some say don't. Witch part will I need to have sent over to the local gun store?
MI also has a state overall length law. So don't run afoul of that.
the way to cheat the SBR tax stamp is a pistol with a sig brace installed.
I don't know who Sig paid off in the ATF, but they signed off on shouldering the brace with a tech letter.
As all things ATF, subject to change at their discretion, so keep abreast of it if you go that route.
Or just build a 16" rifle if you don't need a SBR for suppressor host.
michigan specific length restrictions.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(2e...g.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-750-224b
BRIANHO13
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- Spring, TX
^i did not know about this pistol brace, looks like there is another out there as well.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/04/14/pistol-brace-comparison/
I guess I need to order my "pistol" upper.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/04/14/pistol-brace-comparison/
I guess I need to order my "pistol" upper.
So your telling me sig is selling this brace for an AR but calling it a brace for a pistol?
Side note I really like sig as a manufacturer. I bought a p238 for my wife to be able to use for when I'm out of town or when she's home by herself during the day. Gun shoots flawlessly every time.
RedHeep
NAXJA #1499
- Location
- Landenberg, PA
You'll confuse yourself if you don't use the right terms.
There is a difference between a rifle and a pistol. An AR rifle (in whatever caliber you like) has a stock, a documented rifle lower receiver and a barrel that is applicable to the size restrictions according to the law.
An AR pistol has a buffer tube (not a stock), a documented pistol lower receiver and a barrel that is applicable to the pistol regulations. That's where people get around a short barreled rifle tax stamp because pistols do not have barrel size restrictions.
The brace that Nate is talking about is being sold and approved by the ATF as an accessory to an AR pistol, which has a buffer tube and not a stock. If it's in your shoulder, it becomes a stock on a SBR and you are subject to the penalties associated if you don't have a NFA license for it.
An AR pistol lower receiver is subject to the transfer laws associated with a pistol in your area and not defined as a "long gun".
Brownells said:
http://www.brownells.com/handgun-pa...5-pistol-stabilizing-arm-brace-prod65542.aspx
I'm not a lawyer, but it's important that people understand the right information before doing something stupid and ruining it for the rest of us.
So your telling me sig is selling this brace for an AR but calling it a brace for a pistol?
Side note I really like sig as a manufacturer. I bought a p238 for my wife to be able to use for when I'm out of town or when she's home by herself during the day. Gun shoots flawlessly every time.
Not really. It was originally designed as an aid for disabled shooters to be able to safely hold and fire an AR pistol with it strapped to their forearm. Of course humans being as we are, couldn't leave it at that and thought "hey, this sort of looks like a buttstock" so everyone began slapping them on and using them that way. Of course then everyone also began writing letters to the ATF to ask if it was OK.
Last year the ATF changed their position (shocking I know) and now state that it is illegal to fire a sig brace-equipped AR pistol with the sig brace touching their shoulder.
Like most edicts from them, it will be next to impossible to enforce, but then again, there are some instances...
Don't shoulder the brace man!
Good description of everything. However in most states (there are exceptions) there really is no "documented pistol lower". If you buy a stripped lower, it is neither a pistol or a rifle, it is just a firearm. It depends on how you make it. Of course to confuse things even more, there are some stripped lowers out there that have "pistol" or even "SBR" stamped in them, but legally and technically they are the same as any other stripped lower.
I met a guy at my local range who was oogling my SBR 9mm AR with 4.5 inch barrel. He asked me about it, so I told him about the build and the process of getting the stamp. He pulled a 5.56 "sbr" out and said, "you should have just bought the SBR lower like I did and avoided all of the hassle!" I tried to explain it to him and told him to check it out for himself, but to no avail.
Needless to say he will probably never get caught, but definitely holding a ticking time-bomb for certain.
Of course now i mentioned my SBR, so now i have to post the obligatory picture with its slightly longer cousin.
