All Things Guns

[FlexdXJ]

I would like to wholly disagree. It depends on the material used for the spring and how it was designed, thats it. Some will loose their "spring" some will not. Some springs seem unaffected by leaving them compressed, some fail, safest bet is to keep em unloaded or rotate, but with new Wilson or other quality mag, I doubt youd see the difference in your life time.

He said the same thing you did.... don't buy cheap mags and you won't have problems....

 

[RedHeep]

I would like to wholly disagree. It depends on the material used for the spring and how it was designed, thats it. Some will loose their "spring" some will not. Some springs seem unaffected by leaving them compressed, some fail, safest bet is to keep em unloaded or rotate, but with new Wilson or other quality mag, I doubt youd see the difference in your life time.

I'm not sure you "wholly" disagree, but feel free to read the 19,900,000 topics on the subject.

https://www.google.com/search?q=do+...7j0l2j69i62l2.6226j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Buy a quality magazine and there will be no issues. Loaded, unloaded, rotated, used, not used, etc.

The average gun enthusiast cannot shoot enough rounds out of a good quality magazine to destroy the properties of the spring. GI mags, on the other hand, are issued and reissued to thousands of people over their lifetime, so it's easier to see how they would need replacement parts.

 

[huskyhauler]

Im disagreeing with this whole statement.

"Keeping your magazines loaded does not make the spring lose its function." (it can on older guns or cheaper guns, mostly cheaper regardless of age. THrough the years gun manufacturers have recognized this and even changed their recommendations after working with new spring materials on how to keep mags and hammers. It has to do with the material of the spring, all else being equal, more than anything.

" Springs under tension don't lose their tension. Springs are worn out by compressing and decompressing them. " This is also not true, springs do wear out from compression cycles, but WILL also wear out from being, especially fully, compressed, again depending on the spring, material, application. Load your 1/2 ton truck with a ton of weight for a year, and tell me how the springs look when you unload it

This has more to do with the Spring and its use, Im not saying its a concern to keep a mag loaded in a quality piece, I am saying failure from it can and does happen, and to dismiss that is wrong.

I am not wanting to argue, but I dont want folks to think its OKAY in all guns. A "AR" mag, most modern mags from Sig, Glock, ect. all will do nicely likely loaded up for years. (I rotate mine still...cant hurt that is for sure) I would check what the manufacturer recommends if you have a question and follow that, or purchase aftermarket mag that has a spring that is made to be kept loaded. Old shotguns are famous for their springs going flat when left "hammer back", again this was more spring material. This is so hugely debated, lol, I shouldnt of even got involved. lol. Ill quietly listen to the rest.

 

[BRIANHO13]

If a spring is taken past its yield it will be affected. If its designed correctly you will not have an issue leaving a mag loaded.

I leave all mine loaded

 

[RedHeep]

So your arguement is that if I overload a 1/2 ton leaf spring by 100% for 12 months, I shouldn't leave my magazines loaded with a wire coil spring and the ammunition it was intended to hold?

Or a shotgun hammer spring will fail to work if you leave it locked to the rear for too long? I can totally see what that has to do with magazine springs.

I agree. We should agree to disagree. This topic has been beat to death on every firearms forum in existence. I'm not conducting a metallurgical analysis, I'm just telling the guy that leaving his magazines loaded won't hurt anything. He still has to make that choice, that's up to him.

 

[IllianaXJ]

All of my magazines, department or personal, are loaded all the time. Factory Glock mags and quality aftermarket 1911 mags. Never had an issue.

Like Josh said, flexing the springs over and over will wear them, not constant tension. Take a paper clip, bend it and leave it. It will stay bent. Flex it back and forth enough times and it will break.

 

[nick86]

I value everyone's input, I did not mean to start an arguement, just wanted to know what everyone else was doing. I keep my 2 carry gun mags loaded at all times, but the ones that don't see much range time get unloaded.

 

[Smash Hole]

Got my cheapo Center Point scope from eBay. Glass is surprisingly clear even at 16x for the $30 I paid

It's a lot bigger looking once I put it on the rifle. Didn't realize just how big it was.

Lookin forward to see if it holds a zero.

 

[Smash Hole]

And for the record. All of mine stay loaded

 

[XJosh95]

That Center Point will hold zero. Especially with the tame recoil of .223 in an AR. The one I had held up to .243 pretty well. And yes, it's a long sucker.

When I took my rifle up north for hunting this past year, one of the guys in the cabin asked if I was trying to shoot a mile. Of course, I never took it off 4 power.

 

[R.DesJardin]

That Center Point will hold zero. Especially with the tame recoil of .223 in an AR. The one I had held up to .243 pretty well. And yes, it's a long sucker.

When I took my rifle up north for hunting this past year, one of the guys in the cabin asked if I was trying to shoot a mile. Of course, I never took it off 4 power.

I don't think the recoil is as much of an issue as the bolt slamming closed, this is what I think destroyed the cheapo flashlight I had on mine.
I don't buy scopes that go less thatn 5.5X anymore, just saying, but I still have the wide open out west attitude going on too. Crap my 17HMR has a 6-24 on it. I like trying to shoot'm in the eye.

 

[XJosh95]

Geez! The woods I hunt in is pretty dense. 50yds is the normal shot. If I don't have my scope on a 3 or 4 power, I get too much body in the field of view.

As far as the bolt slamming home goes, I don't know much about what kind of force it actually imparts, but it seems it's a lot less than the recoil from firing a high power bolt action.

Like I said, I don't know about the forces, but I could see the force going the opposite direction than normal recoil being some kind of factor. I still doubt it though.

 

[R.DesJardin]

Where I grew up hunting you could see for quite a ways. No trees and across the canyon could be 600yds. I can see around here 50-75yds as typical. We had data that said the average Whitetail was taken at 75yds, the average LE Sniper shot was 67yds. Remember I designed bullets for both and they were pretty much the same design.

 

[Rev Den]

I keep all mags loaded all the time, for years now. You cannot tell them from brand new.

Rev

 

[Beezil]

I keep all mags loaded all the time, for years now. You cannot tell them from brand new.

Rev

I've never understood the point of an unloaded mag

Makes as much sense as an empty gas tank

Mine are always good to go

 

[XJosh95]

Where I grew up hunting you could see for quite a ways. No trees and across the canyon could be 600yds. I can see around here 50-75yds as typical. We had data that said the average Whitetail was taken at 75yds, the average LE Sniper shot was 67yds. Remember I designed bullets for both and they were pretty much the same design.

Does this go as far as to say that the average deer hunter is a better marksman than a LE sniper?

I know, I know. If the perp is closer, you just get an easier shot...

 

[R.DesJardin]

Does this go as far as to say that the average deer hunter is a better marksman than a LE sniper?

I know, I know. If the perp is closer, you just get an easier shot...

I think it says from across the street it's about 67yds.

 

[darksidemj]

I got the .308 sighted in this last Sunday.

zero'd at 200yrds(just under 1moa):

The rifle(rem 700 in .308):

 

[XJosh95]

If those shots were taken at 200yds, you're at 1/2 MOA.

Good work!

I think it says from across the street it's about 67yds.

Haha! Right...

 

[darksidemj]

Ha yeah that's my bad. Yes these were at 200 yrds