9x18 Makarov?

ZomBrady

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Anybody here have experience reloading makarov rounds? The wife picked up a CZ 82, and now I need some decent recipes for reloading. Also, is there any thing other than the Speers and Hornady rounds out there for maks? There doesn't seem to be too much in the way of bullets for maks. . . :P
 
Good luck! I know a boatload of reloaders, and I can't think of anyone that handloads Mak rounds. Just not worth the trouble.

Hell, it's barely useful as a sidearm in the first place - 9x18 Mak falls right in between the .380 ACP (9x17) and 9m/m Parabellum (9x19) - and I wouldn't count on either of those in a pinch, either. Better a .38 Special with wadcutters...

ComBlock Surplus and Wolf ammo are pretty much your best bets for "value for money" with that round, I'm not even sure I've seen much in the way of brass case/Berdan primed, now that I really think on it! And the 9 Mak is different enough from a 9 Para that you probably can't even cut down the Para cases to make Mak cases (I'd have to check dims, where'd I put that book?)
 
I reload everything from 9mm Luger to 375 H&H, and as 5-90 says good luck finding posted load data for this round. Your best bet is to watch the local shops, Cheaper than Dirt, or other mass outlets for sales. The ammo can be had fairly cheap if you are willing to shop. Watch out for the hollow point rounds they don't always feed consistantly. I have one 9x18, FEG PA-63 and its OK for general use, and a house gun. Mine handles OK and is a lot of fun just to shoot. It doesn't hit like my 44 but then again why compare apples to oranges.
 
I reload everything from 9mm Luger to 375 H&H, and as 5-90 says good luck finding posted load data for this round. Your best bet is to watch the local shops, Cheaper than Dirt, or other mass outlets for sales. The ammo can be had fairly cheap if you are willing to shop. Watch out for the hollow point rounds they don't always feed consistantly. I have one 9x18, FEG PA-63 and its OK for general use, and a house gun. Mine handles OK and is a lot of fun just to shoot. It doesn't hit like my 44 but then again why compare apples to oranges.

True - I've seen a lot of surplus 9 Mak on CTD, and sometimes in Sportsman's Guide as well (always useful to have a number of sources.)
 
My Speer manual (#13) lists load data for the Mak. Never paid any attention to it until you asked. .364", what an odd bullet size,... No wonder there are so few bullets for it.
Anyway, no personal experience, but Speer lists 2 bullets and 9 powders for it. All their loads used Starline brass, and CCI 500 primers.
Friend of mine has my Horandy book, so I can't check that. As a rule, the Horandy manual usually lists a wider variety of bullets then the Speer. Maybe not in this case.
 
Never reloaded it but I have gotten ahold of some really nasty shooting ammo for it. I usually shot whatever I could get my hands on. I did one time get ahold of some norinco stuff that burned more outta the barrel than in. It was kool at night but nasty to shoot at day time.
 
Never reloaded it but I have gotten ahold of some really nasty shooting ammo for it. I usually shot whatever I could get my hands on. I did one time get ahold of some norinco stuff that burned more outta the barrel than in. It was kool at night but nasty to shoot at day time.

Norinco is Chinese crappola - I'm surprised half of it even fired!

Wolf or ComBloc surplus, as I said, usually isn't bad (Wolf is Russian-made anyhow, which is why they've always got 9x18, 7.62x39, and 5.45x39. All Russian chamberings...)

I wouldn't put Norinco through anything but an armoured furnace.
 
aim surplus has 50 rd boxes of silverbear for 10 bucks, and prvi brass for 13.

You can make 9x18 brass out of 9x19 casings if you trim it down. The head end is the same size.
You cannot use 9x19 dies to reload 9x18, the bullets are different diameter, 9x18 is slightly larger.
jut buy all the cheap steel cased comblock amo you can find. I doubt you can reload it for much less than 10 bucks a box.
 
Good luck! I know a boatload of reloaders, and I can't think of anyone that handloads Mak rounds. Just not worth the trouble.

Hell, it's barely useful as a sidearm in the first place - 9x18 Mak falls right in between the .380 ACP (9x17) and 9m/m Parabellum (9x19) - and I wouldn't count on either of those in a pinch, either. Better a .38 Special with wadcutters...

ComBlock Surplus and Wolf ammo are pretty much your best bets for "value for money" with that round, I'm not even sure I've seen much in the way of brass case/Berdan primed, now that I really think on it! And the 9 Mak is different enough from a 9 Para that you probably can't even cut down the Para cases to make Mak cases (I'd have to check dims, where'd I put that book?)

I have a favorite saying when it comes to bullet sizes, "a .22 will kill just as dead as .45, one's just more likely to do the job." Personally, I believe that it boils down to marksmanship training. And for a woman that's only 5'0", I'm more than happy to have her shoot the 9x18 (although she handles a .45 ACP rather well, but the frames are generally too large for her).

On the other note, yeah the surplus stuff is cheap and easy to find. I just like making my own stuff. It's fun. Hornady does make a nice 93 gr hollow point for the 9x18, and I think I will start with it for defensive rounds, but you can't beat the price of the surplus stuff for practicing with.
 
I have a favorite saying when it comes to bullet sizes, "a .22 will kill just as dead as .45, one's just more likely to do the job." Personally, I believe that it boils down to marksmanship training. And for a woman that's only 5'0", I'm more than happy to have her shoot the 9x18 (although she handles a .45 ACP rather well, but the frames are generally too large for her).

On the other note, yeah the surplus stuff is cheap and easy to find. I just like making my own stuff. It's fun. Hornady does make a nice 93 gr hollow point for the 9x18, and I think I will start with it for defensive rounds, but you can't beat the price of the surplus stuff for practicing with.

I shan't argue either point - but the larger rounds have more "fudge factor" than the smaller ones. Also, with a smaller round, you have to depend more on a directly lethal shot, which means you were "shooting to kill." With the larger rounds, you are "shooting to stop" - killing is incidental.

Also, defending shootings using handloads in court can be a cast-iron bitch - it's therefore not generally recommended to roll your own defensive rounds (a liberal lawyer can come up with "You've made the rounds more lethal" - whether you've done so or not - and try to paint you as a "mad dog killer." Stupid, but it's what we're stuck with.)

My wife can handle my 1991 rather well, and she's all of 5'2". She actually prefers my M1991 over her issue M29 (fortunately, I don't care either way.) The M29 grip fits her a bit better, but the M1991 is easier to handle and shoot, and second shots for her can be faster (since recoil energy gets used up in cycling the action, where you take it all in the wrist with the M29.)

(I've got bloody great paws with short stubby fingers, she's got small hands with long, strong fingers. That's why I can shoot a 12 gage one-handed like a pistol, and she can't control it without two hands. Understandable limitation, she just doesn't have the sort of forearm strength that I do.)

I could see rolling HP rounds for the Mak for soft-skinned varmint control, but I'd be loath to use them for goblin control - better to use factory ammo. Double-tap, and follow up PRN.
 
I buy old USSR surplus 8mm and 7.62x54r spam cans....

So cheap it's not even worth reloading :(

Berdan primers, usually corrosive, and steel cases--no reloading there.
 
Not exactly on topic, but I have had the kernel of an idea rattling around in my head--with the price of surplus 7.62x25 so low, what about re-chambering/re-barreling a U.S. M1 carbine for that round?
 
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