2.8 power

Mothertrucker said:
about how much?

$500 for a used 95 camaro engine with 70K on it.
Then another couple hundred for gaskets, hoses, fluids, parts that I broke.
Then a couple hundred for the carb.

Why I spent that much is beyond me,

like they say though...Just Empty Every Pocket
 
If you can do a SB swap properly for less than 4K.....let me know.
 
Mothertrucker said:
i was asking about HP but thats another question i did adress were did u get ur engine what size?

Misunderstood you.

I got the engine from a salvage yard...its a 207/3.4

Not sure on the HP, but a lot more than the factory 115 (which was probably only 15 before I swapped j/k). A rough estimate would be 170-180ish
 
Everywhere! Plain and simple, it's a bigger, better engine. The 2.8L SUCKS. The 3.4L will put a smile on your face when you stomp the gas. :D Just don't use the stock Jeep carb. It can choke the life out of any engine. And make sure your cat is flowing good.
http://www.off-road.com/jeep/cherokee/xjtech/engine/28-34swap.html
try car-part.com for junkyards
Jeep on!
--Pete
 
There are tons of performance parts for the 3.4 also.....Grand Am GTs come with a really nice 3.4, plenty of torque, should be the same block as older 3.4s.
 
If nothing else, I'd look into swapping a 3.1/3.4 top end in - even if it's just the intake and support electronics.

The Rochester Feedbacks are a recurring nightmare for me (along with the old Carter Thermoquads, the Ford Variable Venturis, and the Honda/Keihin 3-barrel PITA...) and any fuel injection setup would help.

You've got a couple options, and if you're just swapping the top end, you've opened up your donor pool considerably.

Early FI V6-60 engines used a throttle body (TBI) setup that is easy to service, and you might not even need to get the whole in take - just the throttle body, electrics, and fuel source (pump and/or tank entire.) Getting rid of the feedback circuit in the carb, as well as the increased control over fuel metering you can get with the TBI, is already a plus. Even if this doesn't increase power, it will increase economy - and reliability. Cost? Depends on the option you take and the prices you can expect from junkyards. Donors? Anything with a 2.8/3.1/3.4 with FI. The decision to make here is where to stop - add the TB only for TBI, swap the intake for MPFI, or take the intake and heads to have something that will breathe better as well? Depends on what you can find and what you can save up for.

Next, there's the V6-60 swap - and that's going to limit you some on donors. You'll need to find either a RWD 3.1/3.4 (S-10/S15 or F-body,) or a GM Performance 3.1/3.4 (easily spotted - it has starter mounts on both sides.) The dedicated FWD plant just won't work - the starter mount is on the wrong side. You can quickly check the FWD plant for the second starter mount - look for a copy of the starter pad that's on the front to be on the back of the engine as well. If it's got the pad on the back, it's a usable engine. Again, it's a good idea to grab the electronics as well - you can probably get away with using a later XJ fuel tank setup (for either AMC2.5I4 or AMC4.0I6.) Cost? Whatever your local salvage wants (and probably better than here.) Donors? S-10/S-15 truck, Camaro, Firebird.

If you want to get nuts, you can swap in a small block V8 - either carburetted or injected. I believe both Advance Adapters and Novak Adapters make "drop-in" mount kits for the SBC, which eliminates a lot of fab work. Expect this on to be spendy - not just for the mounts, but for the mill and the new transmission you're going to need (THM700R4 isn't a bad choice, but I'd take a Muncie toploader four-speed if I could find one. I just happen to prefer manuals.) The new transmission should come from a 4WD, and you might be able to find one with a transfer case already on it (Blazer/Pickup/some Astro vans.) You'll want a new driveshaft as well with this one - probably front and rear. Grab the driveshafts from your donor, and salvage the connections (rear slip yoke and whatever the front happens to hook up with.) Cost? Likely to be a lot.

Always remember this - "Speed is a question of money. How fast can you afford to go?" Even if you're not building for speed, building for torque follows a similar maxim. "Power is a question of money. How much can you afford to make?"

With all this in mind, I'd highly suggest you kick open a savings account somewhere, take your "mod money" and put it in there for a while, and allow it to accumulate. You'll proably find that it will pile up fairly quickly, and that will open your options.

All the way around, the very best thing you can do is to remove the 2.8 and be quit of the thing - it's best used as a cement form for an anchor. The revisions applied in the 3.1/3.4 made the engine viable, but the 2.8 didn't serve well for trucks (made power in the wrong place, and not enough of it.)

I'd also be willing to bet that any of the swaps I gave you the "short form" on will be cheaper than the AMC242 swap everyone's telling you to do. Not that there's anything wrong with the 4.0, but if you've got the 2.8, you've got either a 1984-1986XJ or 1986MJ, and that means the 4.0 just ain't an easy fit. When the 4.0 was released for the 1987MY, the front clip/nose was lengthened on both vehicles to accommodate the much longer block. Even the SBChevvy swap will be easier (after all, the 4.0 will also want a different gearbox/transfercase/driveline setup as well!)

Is all of this any help to you?

5-90
 
ok well the sb 350 would be my choice being a chevy gear head so the 2.8 in a jeep was a supprise to so were can i get adapters for mounts and trans mission hook up and anything else i need
 
Unfortuneately no, the 4.3 isin't the same. Its a 90 degree Chevy block and is similar to the 90 degree chevy V-8 small block. Not a direct swap. Think of a 350 with 2 cylinders chopped off and you have the right idea. The 2.8 and 3.4 are 60 degree Chevy V-6 blocks and there isin't a lot of interchangeability between the 2. You could get a 90something V6 Camaro which is considered a total po-dunk car around here so you can find this engine easily and cheaply in junkyards. I believe Chevy after the 80s started using 4.3s in the S10 so I predict you will have the most luck looking for camaro engines.
 
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Interesting thread, timely too since I'm in the same boat. :repair:

I went out today to find a 3.4L and had zero success. I'd like to get one with the fuel injection system intact. I know I'll need the computer and a different pump in the tank. What else should I snag once I finally find a donor vehicle?

I was able to snag a '96 4.0L for a future stroker project for my wifes XJ, so the day wasn't a total loss. :laugh3:
 
Frank Z said:
Interesting thread, timely too since I'm in the same boat. :repair:

I went out today to find a 3.4L and had zero success. I'd like to get one with the fuel injection system intact. I know I'll need the computer and a different pump in the tank. What else should I snag once I finally find a donor vehicle?
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Be careful with the VAT thing on Camaros. I don't know if you can bypass the anti theft. I ended up using a Berretta ECU and coil packs to get my 3.4l fuel injection to work. If I had the entire Camaro, I might not of had this problem.

I started with a 87 XJ 2.5l AW5.

Other parts? 4.0l radiator and two fans. Custom radiator hoses and custom air intake. 4.0l A/C system. Custom/modified gas pedal cable. New hood with a scoop. Heavy duty front springs.

I should post pics and a write up ........ got my rig on the road 2 weeks ago, sure is nice driving!
 
makmadison said:
Be careful with the VAT thing on Camaros. I don't know if you can bypass the anti theft.
I should post pics and a write up ........ got my rig on the road 2 weeks ago, sure is nice driving!

The VAT can be accomodated for. I dont know the ins & outs but there is quite a bit of info on it on the net.
And yes you should post pics & a write up. I have a 3.4 swap from a '95 Camaro planned for the spring.
 
Anothre thing you can do is go to <mys10.com> Look under their tech area and find the stroker 2.8 section. You swap in the crank and rods from a 3.1 (I think...It's been a while since I looked it up) and some top end work. We did one back in high school and we ended up at 225 whp and a good powerband at mid throttle.
 
I installed a 3.4 Camaro eng. It is NOT the same as the front wheel drive eng. Mounting pads for mounts different. Rather than use the PFI from the Camaro I used the TBI intake from a S-10. Got the entie wiring and computer from salvage (U-pick). Have to get a throttle body from a larger engine (4.3, 305, 350). They will all work but you have to clearance the manifold to fit the larger throttle plates which give you more airflow. I was able to use a factory Jeep fuel pump and tank from a donor XJ (88 m.y.). The 86 actually had a wire from the tank connector to the fuse panel bulkhead connector. I also installed a Crane cam model 2030 I believe.

Now it is not a small block Chevy, but it will now spin the tires in the dirt with a locker. When I nail it it responds now. In hot or cold weather it starts right up.

I am running 33/13.5 ltb's with 4.10's. I do have a 8.8 rear, and I ditched the 228 for a 231(nightmare, input shaft differences).
The biggest hurdle was the flywheel. You have to use a Jeep flywheel (flexplate actually, I have an auto trans). Unfortunately, it is externally balanced and the 3.4 is internally balanced. Here's how I got around having a machine shop balance it.

the Jeep flex plate has a big weight welded to one side. Get it off, I drilled the welds and it came right off. Next if you look, it has big holes drilled 180 degrees from the weight (roughly). I approximated the location on the side the weight was on and drilled similar sized holes. I put it on a spin balancer (tire balancer) and it was less than 1/2 ounce out. That has been good enough so far ( no vibrations).
 
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