pma4x4
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If thats the case, then you can also try Swamper TSL Radials and have them siped.bcmaxx said:
xj plus snow= no go?
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Flash
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ramjet308 said:
:thumbup: jup, try it, you will like it!
Smittty9785
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BFG's are Garbage in snow
M4Madness
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I've about decided to buy the BF Goodrich Radial T/A KO's in the next week or two due to the glowing reviews I've seen of them online, plus the fact that they're "severe snow" rated. Is it all a bunch of bull?
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=All-Terrain+T%2FA+KO
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=BFGoodrich&tireModel=All-Terrain+T%2FA+KO
pma4x4
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What ever you get make sure they have siping in them. If not find a shop that does siping. If this is just a DD then tires like the Kuhmo Roadventures or Kelly AWRs a more tame tread would be better.
Some others have not had good experiences with the BFG ATs but alot of my friends and I have anywhere from 30x9.50s to 33s. I plan on putting a set on my XJ once the lift is done. Cause this is still my DD but i still want something to works pretty good offroad. It all comes down to what you want.
Good luck
Some others have not had good experiences with the BFG ATs but alot of my friends and I have anywhere from 30x9.50s to 33s. I plan on putting a set on my XJ once the lift is done. Cause this is still my DD but i still want something to works pretty good offroad. It all comes down to what you want.
Good luck
1996cc
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I absolutely love the BFG AT's in the snow, and so do my friends. They are on my powerstroke and wife's ZJ. I don't believe the claims above. The only thing they suck at is MUD.
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Smittty9785 said:
I agree. The tread gets packed with snow and then its like having 4 slicks on your Jeep.
Now I have Futura Dakota RVT's and they have impressed me for the price.
But when it gets really bad I put the snow chains on.
cazlax
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yea i know the BFG's rock in snow...i run 245/75/16 and my friend runs 275/75/16 on his rover! maybe it has to do with the type of snow we are dealing with....wet dry icy slushy, in my opinion there are many atrributes that would make people have diffrent feelings about the same tire!
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M4Madness
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j99xj said:
I've always been under the impression that you want snow to pack in the tread, as snow sticks to snow and will enhance traction. Conversely, I've heard that mud tires have larger tread to shed mud (and not pack) so that they won't turn into "slicks".
I guess it also depends on which model of BFG tire you have, as there are many. Maybe they all suck in the snow with the exception of the KO's.
TheInstaller
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You've got it right. But as is true with any kind of tire, there are always conditions that it won't be good in. I had BFG A/T KO's on my Pathfinder and absolutely loved them with the kind of snow in New England. Last winter I was at Paragon during the snow storm, and those BFG's got me through everything. I was shocked when I was able to walk right up the hill out of the play area.M4Madness said:
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My XJ is set up about as poorly as one could expect for snow. Spool in the rear, AW4, autolocker in the front and 31x10.50 unsiped big lug tires.
It snowed and iced here yesterday. I drove 30 miles on the beltway (6-8 lane loop around DC) and then 20 miles down I-95. Scary as heck in 2wd. Rear spun easily, wanted find the low side of the road. Touch the brakes and one front would lock up then (BANG) the auto locker would kick in and lock up the front solid while the rear (with engine pushing) didnt come close to locking. Now the nose wanted to slide off the road (low side) while the rear pushed it off the road. It took so much brake to overcome driveline push against the rear that the front locked up before ther rears even began to add any braking force. As soon as one front lost traction the autolocker would kick in and make sure the other tire started to slide as well. I was the of the slowest cars on the road. The only good part about being super slow was that several folks that passed me (all 4wd SUV's) flipped or crashed miles ahead.
Changed to 4WD. WOW. With even driveline forces on the front and rear the front stopped locking up early and the XJ steered, braked and turned beautifully.
Hmm, time to experiment...
Kick it into nuetral while in 4wd and the braking got even better. Now I could feel the grip on the ice and sense the limit of traction under braking really well without having to fight the engine.
Back to 2WD...Kick it into nuetral while braking and everything works really well. Even braking forces, good pedal feel for the limit of traction and no more banging and sliding of the front end (unless I got on the brakes stupid heavy). The rear still wanted to find the low side of the road when you spun it and (no big surprise here) steering sucked compared to 4wd but it wasnt frightening to drive in 2wd on ice anymore.
Wife wanted to go for a "joy ride" last night when I got home. We cruised all around going in and out of 4wd, drive (go & turn) and neutral (brake) as needed having a ball looking at Lexus (Lexii?), Porsche Cayanne and Honda AWD SUV's in ditches and on their sides. I didnt see a single crashed Subaru so either they are great vehicles or have smarter drivers.
Bottom line. Spool, Auto locker, unsiped tires will go, turn and stop just fine if you are careful. Yes, it could be better but it sure works well. I was going to take out he spool for winter but now I will be leaving it in.
John
It snowed and iced here yesterday. I drove 30 miles on the beltway (6-8 lane loop around DC) and then 20 miles down I-95. Scary as heck in 2wd. Rear spun easily, wanted find the low side of the road. Touch the brakes and one front would lock up then (BANG) the auto locker would kick in and lock up the front solid while the rear (with engine pushing) didnt come close to locking. Now the nose wanted to slide off the road (low side) while the rear pushed it off the road. It took so much brake to overcome driveline push against the rear that the front locked up before ther rears even began to add any braking force. As soon as one front lost traction the autolocker would kick in and make sure the other tire started to slide as well. I was the of the slowest cars on the road. The only good part about being super slow was that several folks that passed me (all 4wd SUV's) flipped or crashed miles ahead.
Changed to 4WD. WOW. With even driveline forces on the front and rear the front stopped locking up early and the XJ steered, braked and turned beautifully.
Hmm, time to experiment...
Kick it into nuetral while in 4wd and the braking got even better. Now I could feel the grip on the ice and sense the limit of traction under braking really well without having to fight the engine.
Back to 2WD...Kick it into nuetral while braking and everything works really well. Even braking forces, good pedal feel for the limit of traction and no more banging and sliding of the front end (unless I got on the brakes stupid heavy). The rear still wanted to find the low side of the road when you spun it and (no big surprise here) steering sucked compared to 4wd but it wasnt frightening to drive in 2wd on ice anymore.
Wife wanted to go for a "joy ride" last night when I got home. We cruised all around going in and out of 4wd, drive (go & turn) and neutral (brake) as needed having a ball looking at Lexus (Lexii?), Porsche Cayanne and Honda AWD SUV's in ditches and on their sides. I didnt see a single crashed Subaru so either they are great vehicles or have smarter drivers.
Bottom line. Spool, Auto locker, unsiped tires will go, turn and stop just fine if you are careful. Yes, it could be better but it sure works well. I was going to take out he spool for winter but now I will be leaving it in.
John
Flash
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If you are going to be the first on up a trail that just had "feet" of snow dumped on it, then a mud tire with big lugs would be best.
but after 10 of your best buddy have gone up that same trail, roasting there tires every change they get. the trail will now be snow packed, and the BFG A/T......or the like(lot of siping ) will out perform all the big lug mud tire.
but after 10 of your best buddy have gone up that same trail, roasting there tires every change they get. the trail will now be snow packed, and the BFG A/T......or the like(lot of siping ) will out perform all the big lug mud tire.
arnold
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"cheap tire that is good in snow and mud as well?"
is this possible, white fluffy stuff possibly, as my MTZ's will dig right through it, but hard packed snow and ice, my XJ is all over the place. Starting, Stopping, Turning and just trying to go straight is a chore. All terrain severe weather rated tires would be the way to go. Alot of people here in CO run the pro-comp AT's, they seem to perform really well.
is this possible, white fluffy stuff possibly, as my MTZ's will dig right through it, but hard packed snow and ice, my XJ is all over the place. Starting, Stopping, Turning and just trying to go straight is a chore. All terrain severe weather rated tires would be the way to go. Alot of people here in CO run the pro-comp AT's, they seem to perform really well.
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Dayton Winterforce. Learn it, love it, live it.:thumbup:
Tire, dude tires….i had some 31” fulda mudders on a 3” lifted but otherwise stock xj, that were ok in the mud and I though were ok on snowy roads. I lost one tire to a stump in the woods and found a cheap used set of Michelin LTXs ($109 regular at tire rake) and they did 100 times better on snowy roads (not so good in deep mud). I think it is because of the siping they have. The winterforce tires are a lot cheaper than the Michelins from tirerack (about $56 depending on size) they have a lot more siping and are made of different compounds. My buddies that have them swear by them. Its what I would have gotten if I hadn’t found the TLXs for so cheap. Hope this helps. Johnny O.
People say BFG's aren't so good compared to what they have used - which is complicated by engine size, wheelbase, tire size, and gearing. BFG AT/KO's are a year round tread, no way do they have the same grip as M/T anythings - but they are a world better than any street SUV radial.
I'm currently using 6 ply rated AT/KO's on three inches of sleet and ice the second time this year, and they are much better than cheap Liberators. The square shoulders do tend to knock back in ruts, so pay attention. Dueler Revo's are a newer design and may have the edge, but I'd like to see a comparision to siped AT's just to see if they could do the same.
I'm currently using 6 ply rated AT/KO's on three inches of sleet and ice the second time this year, and they are much better than cheap Liberators. The square shoulders do tend to knock back in ruts, so pay attention. Dueler Revo's are a newer design and may have the edge, but I'd like to see a comparision to siped AT's just to see if they could do the same.
