Anyone know what the width restrictions are and for what OHV parks I am planing on running full widhts and did a search with little success. I recently wheeled TSF and looking at some of the trails it looks like a tight squeez however I think I can still make it threw most of the trails with full widths.
I know there are some trails that are actually restricted as to your width, like Hogsback. I want to say its somewhere between 76 and 80 inches.
I know we couldn't bring a late-model stock Bronco through the gatekeeper on it.
Well that makes me want to ask this question when you say 76" and 80" inches does that include wheels. My axles are 76" from wheel mounting surface to wheel mounting surface so that does not include the 4" on each side that the rim and tire will stick out if I run a 4" back spacing
Basically from what I know if you are not able to get the rig through the gate keeper WITHOUT going over it then your not suppose to go on that trail. Some people go anyways but from what I know you not suppose to.
Hogs back clearly says... if you do not meet the requirments, STAY OFF THE TRAIL ! It is however the only width restricted trail at TSF currently. Upper Firebreak is tight also, but not restricted by width.
As for your question Jason, they are refering to outside rubber to outside rubber. NOT axle width.
Hogs back clearly says... if you do not meet the requirments, STAY OFF THE TRAIL ! It is however the only width restricted trail at TSF currently. Upper Firebreak is tight also, but not restricted by width.
As for your question Jason, they are refering to outside rubber to outside rubber. NOT axle width.
This sounds pretty lame to me. I mean why the hell do they care how wide my width is. I have always been able to wheel the places that I have gone it didnt matter to anyone how wide my track width was. It only meant that my junk was going to get squished
So if you have a Bronco 78 on up or full sized Blazer,Ramcharger full sized pick up you are unable to use all of the trails that sounds kind of lame to me. Why is this does it have to do with some tree hugger law or something. It sounds like yet another way limit use of our trails when will it end next are they going to tell us that we can only run 2 doors or short wheel base vehicles.
Besides the 80" width restriction at Evans Creek and the one trail at TSF the only other width restriction I can think of is the Little Rattlesnake Trail in Eastern WA that has a 75" width and 95" length restriction. Typically when measuring to see if a vehicle meets a width restriction the measurement would be taken from the outermost part of the vehicle, could be the tire bulge, hub, or fender whatever sticks out the most. Jeep trails in the PNW are pretty narrow so I would reccomend keeping your width at no more than 80" just to make sure you can fit through everything.
The TSF ones I think are to protect you. Hogsback is literally not wide enough and you aren't going to want to try to back out or turn around
The trail clings to the hillside and is barely wide enough for a cherokee
IMHO, if you are building a rig for PNW trails you should BUILD THEM FOR PNW TRAILS, not expect the trails to change for your build. The reason that we as a entity care is due to the fact that most of the PNW trails are narrow, the wider the vehicle that was not built for the trails around here try to go through these narrow trails, the more erosion and habitat damage happens, which in turns means more trail closures. Which then turns into no place for our sport anymore
Think of it like 4x4 trails and quad trails. We are not allowed on quad trails for a reason.
I in no way agree with that so you are excluding a whole lot of people who pay OHV funds from using the same trail that you enjoy for an extra couple of inches. I really do not think an extra 4 inches is going to change anything as far as erosion is concerned. I also do not think trails get closed for this reason they get closed for things like people offroading where they are not suppose to and people leaving trash all over the place. I am trying to build a Jeep that I can use in more places than just the PNW. So how about this we open 4x4 trails up to all 4x4s and quad trails can be quad trails. or should we have quad trails, Jeep trails and then trails for full width vehicles sounds kind of weird to me but hey I dont make these rules I just have to follow them. IMHO I think that people built these trails they probably could build them however they wanted. Do we not as an offroad community get to do trail maintence to prevent erosion and do we not get to make suggestions as to how these trials can and should be changed we sure pay to use them correct.
Dont get me wrong, there are alot of things that you stated that I agree with. There are alot of trails that do not have width restrictions, but there are SOME trails and ORV parks that do. If you are over those restrictions, just dont wheel there. Like you stated, we dont make the rules but we have to follow them. As far as your last comment, yes we do have a voice, There is the Pistons Wild group that is very active in the offroad community a long with Wheelers of Washington and Pacific Northwest Four Wheel Drive association. I know personally I would like to see all of us in the PNW get more involved in these communities (including myself).
This sport is always going to be a uphill battle, the more we all get involved as a voice for our sport/hobby the better chance we have to keep trails or have new trails that meet MOST offroad vehicles dimensions.
Do you know how wide you are going to be once you have your your rig back together?
The TSF ones I think are to protect you. Hogsback is literally not wide enough and you aren't going to want to try to back out or turn around
The trail clings to the hillside and is barely wide enough for a cherokee
Sorry but i agree, If you want to wheel in these area's, then build a rig FOR the area.. The whole purpose of management in these area's is to stop people from Changing the Trail to make it work for a certain vehicle. If everything was easy, then it takes away from the challenge.. making hogs back suitable for a suburban, totally defeats the purpose of the trail..
For what it's worth, ODF is planning on taking out the width filters at TSF. Not sure when, but it's been discussed.
They serve no purpose on Rocky Uphill, and for the Hogsback portion, it's more of a length factor than a width factor. Tree damage is a very big concern when it comes to setting restrictions. A full size is much more likely to take the bark off a tree than a Jeep. Most of the ORV parks are also timber farms, so a lost tree is lost money. That's why your starting to see tree guards installed on some of the newer trails.
