JohnJohn
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Ecomike said:I think Obama is the best presidential choice we have had since Reagan.
Please tell me something, policy wise, they have in common?
Ecomike said:I think Obama is the best presidential choice we have had since Reagan.
I did? :shhh:tupton said::lecture: I think Tom R. just got a taste of his own medicine.
JohnJohn said:Please tell me something, policy wise, they have in common?
Ecomike said:Right back at ya on the revised history and half truths comment! But you may be right it may be impossible to discuss this rationally with you since you won't post any published data to back up your own claims, biased or not.
Sorry but you can make that claim of being biased just because my sources prove my point and not yours. As far I am concerned your revised history is the one that is biased!
All right now tell me this is biased data mister!
"In 1998, the Federal budget reported its first surplus ($69 billion) since 1969." "In 1999, the surplus nearly doubled to $125 billion, and then again in 2000 to $236 billion. As a result of these surpluses, Federal debt held by the public has been reduced from $3.8 trillion at the end of 1997 to $3.4 trillion at the end of 2000 and to an estimated $3.2 trillion in 2001. With continued prudent fiscal policies, the budget can remain in surplus for many years. Under the President's budget proposals, $2.0 trillion in Federal debt held by the public will be retired over the next 10 years—all of the debt that can responsibly be retired."
All found on the whitehouse we site!
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2002/guide04.html
But I guess it is biased too?
It also says: "By 1992, the deficit reached $290 billion. Budget deficits have gradually declined since that high point, returning to balance in 1998. In 2000, the budget surplus was $236 billion. Why have we been able to move from deficit to balance? The main reason is because strong economic growth has increased tax receipts faster than the growth in Federal spending."
Here is the Congressional Budget office details, but be sure an check out figure 1-3 for of my biased data:
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/89xx/doc8917/Chapter1.5.1.shtml
JohnJohn said:Yes you are right.
D: Keneddy - started Vietnam
R: Nixon - fought Vietnam
R: Ford - finish Vietnam
D: Carter - tried to fight Iran (crash and burn)
R: Reagan - fought cold War
R: Reagan - fought cold War
R: GHW Bush - fought 1st Iraq War
D: Clinton - pu$$y
D: Clinton - pu$$y - bombed Yugoslavia that was about it
R: GW Bush - fought Afgan War
R: GW Bush - fought Afgan & Iraq War
Wars cost money
JohnJohn said:R: Reagan - fought cold War
R: Reagan - fought cold War AND WON!
JohnJohn said:Please tell me something, policy wise, they have in common?
Ecomike said:Did I say they had any policy positions in common? No, I don't think so, if I did it was not my intent.
Reagan was one hell of a great motivational speaker, IMHO, just like Obama, IMHO. Being a great motivational speaker is important for a US presidential leader, IMHO, especially with such a divided country (politically divided that is).
The next President, V.P., He, & / or she needs to be able unify the majority of Americans, Congress, and US allies to get anything done in the next 4 years.
Other than that, I would need to think long and hard about their policies (Reagan - Obama) and any similarities, if there any. I do know they both had, have the same (or at least very similar) positions on the abortion issue. Reagan was opposed to abortion, but he was not in favor a no exception anti abortion amendment to the US constitution like the ultra far right wing moral majority has been since the late 1970's.
I don't think a McCain-Palin administration will have the temperment to work with a Democratic Congress, which means McCain would give us 4 more years of stalemate in Washington, which would be very bad for us right now.
I'm still waiting for my first economic trickle, LOL!:cheers:JohnJohn said:Reagan we a teacher, he taught Liberals about "trickle down economics" and being tough on our enemies.
Ecomike said:I'm still waiting for my first trickle, LOL!:cheers:
JohnJohn said:Having everyone get along is a farce.
JohnJohn said:making my points for me now. Go and get your own trickle...stop waiting and complaining you haven't got yours yet.:angel:
JohnJohn said:Having everyone get along is a farce. All conservatives should do is teach, bring others around to our way of thinking. Agreeing to disagree is a waist of time from a conservative stand point.
ZacSquatch said:I vote based on guns... because we can fix a nation with them if it comes to it...
Viva la revolution
My morals really are fawked up...
Ecomike said:IRRC Nixon, Reagan and Bush actually agreed to disagree with the Communists and started the process of looking for common ground with them. So I guess that was a farce too.
I think they're more likely to work with a Democrat-led Congress. McCain has demonstrated his willingness to work across party lines many times during his career, which is why ultra-conservative Republicans don't really care for him. I'd venture to say that Obama-Biden are much less likely to work across party lines.Ecomike said:I don't think a McCain-Palin administration will have the temperment to work with a Democratic Congress, which means McCain would give us 4 more years of stalemate in Washington, which would be very bad for us right now.