Thanks Matt, I believe it was Scott that I talked to, and he was extremely helpful. On the other hand, I did call Full Traction as I heard their leafs were decent also... I was put on hold for like 10 minutes, then connected to a somewhat rude salesperson, got a total shipped price, and then he tried to get me to order them right then. I explained that I was just shopping around and would be deciding between them and Deaver. He laughed, told me I better add 1000 to the price if I wanted Deavers! I just chuckled, told him thanks for his help, and hung up. I'm definitely buying from Deaver.