Water4Gas/HHO

[xjjk]

I'm sure some of you have heard of/seen video on this "water for gas" aka HHO aka Brown's gas. There's a few websites selling manuals to create an electroloysis system to create the gas. I googled for an hour and found some arguments against it and alot of sites pushing the technology. Smells of snake oil to me, but am curious nonetheless. Has anyone actually tried it?
water4gas.com
http://aquygen.blogspot.com/

 

[falcon556]

I'm sure some of you have heard of/seen video on this "water for gas" aka HHO aka Brown's gas. There's a few websites selling manuals to create an electroloysis system to create the gas. I googled for an hour and found some arguments against it and alot of sites pushing the technology. Smells of snake oil to me, but am curious nonetheless. Has anyone actually tried it?
water4gas.com
http://aquygen.blogspot.com/

It all depends, if you produce a small amount of H2 and O2 gases and you mix them up with the gasoline in the cylinder, it could make the burning of gasoline more efficient.
Of course the idea of introducing an explosive mixture in the manifold is risky.
The idea of using the alternator to produce electricity, to produce the gases, to produce the power that runs the engine that runs the alternator, seems like a perpetual motion BS.
When you burn hydrogen/oxygen, you get a lot of heat (energy) and water.
To break the water apart I believe that it will take the same amount (more due to losses) of energy. Unless you rely on something like zero point energy or other new concept of physics, there is no free ride.

 

[2lazy2p]

I been looking into this, research is underway, so far I believe there is an increase in mpg (which is bottom line here in terms of what you get from the conversion) however at what total cost is the nut. It appears there is an increase in mpg. Other than the cost of the conversion (whether you build or buy) corrosion is an issue, water being produced corrodes valves and exhaust system over fairly short time so stainless steel components are eventually necessary. Looks interesting.... I may build one and see for myself. I would sure like to hear from our friends here on the site and weigh in.

 

[twoksl2]

mythbusters did a show on this. i know that they're not the most accurate or through, but they couldn't get it to do anything noticeable. they supposedly used a kit they found online.
they also dumped straight h2 into the carb just for S&G, and all it did was backfire a huge fireball back up.

i'm not really seeing a whole lot of hope here. energy cannot be created from nothing, so if you use the alt to break up the hydrogen bonds in the water, you are not going to get more energy back from combining them then you used to break them.

 

[2lazy2p]

I wondering how much ineffeciency there is in gas only which can be used to recharge battery power used to power the converter (hydrogen generator). Put another way, the only way I see it possible would be that there is available work (energy) not currently being used (wasted) in a gas only engine system that could be tapped to generate the electricity to generate the hydrogen which could then be used as fuel.

 

[FiFo]

A quick quote from Wikipedia

the law of conservation of energy states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.

To put it another way, the amount of energy released when the hydrogen and oxygen react is at best exactly the same amount the alternator used to split the hydrogen and oxygen in the first place.

Now I suppose it’s possible that the hydrogen/oxygen reaction somehow increases the efficiency of the normal combustion reaction, but I don’t see how.

 

[xjjk]

thanks guys, I've learned a bit here. eace:
I wonder how much electrical energy is needed to split the water and hydrogen off- and what is its approximate equivalent in gasoline energy (in order to equal the energy in=energy out formula).
Is this guy using HHO gas full of crap? Or does his product require a lot of energy to create and they are just downplaying it?

His company is the aquygen co. http://www.hytechapps.com/

 

[dmillion]

This is a scam, and nothing more. You will waste MORE energy extracting the hydrogen from the oxygen than you will EVER get back by burning the hydrogen. And, no, mixing a bit of hydrogen with the air/fuel mixture does not--CANNOT!--increase your gas mileage. This is a guaranteed loser, all around.

This is relatively simple, high school level physics. If you really want to learn and understand, I would suggest reading "Physics for Dummies." Pay special attention to the section on conservation of energy.

 

[2lazy2p]

How much "energy" is not used to store electrons in the battery with the alternator turning at idle. I know at times there is a "load" on the alternator, but if there is energy "slack" it would have to be in unused power off the alternator when not replenishing used electrons from the battery? Comments please? I agree, basis physics is basic physics but let's look under the rocks.

 

[falcon556]

How much "energy" is not used to store electrons in the battery with the alternator turning at idle. I know at times there is a "load" on the alternator, but if there is energy "slack" it would have to be in unused power off the alternator when not replenishing used electrons from the battery? Comments please? I agree, basis physics is basic physics but let's look under the rocks.

Every time you pull juice from the alternator it will eat up energy.
Years ago, on cars with carburetors and no computers, the engine rpm was affected when the headlights were turned on. No free ride.
When the alternator is idling it uses no power from the engine (except for friction and some small internal losses. When you start pulling electrons it will force the engine to use gas to make it up.