tornado

OK, I have my flack jacket on, and I am ready to brave the assault, I think. :scared:
Although I suspect the Tornado device is a scam, I am not entirely sure. I know enough Physics and Chemical Engineering, to doubt that it works, but I also know enough to wonder if it actually might work in some cases (rotational energy), leaving the question of when and what efficiency to a dyno test.

I decided to try out one of these devices a few months ago. I insalled it on my Diesel jeeps intake before the throttle plate (it is a naturally aspirated diesel with no TC and has a dual pneumatic/mechanical governor on the IP). That's the 2.2 liter Nissan naturally aspirated diesel engine transplant I have in my 85 jeep.

I sort of expected to see a drop in performance, being skeptical. One of the reasons I choose the diesel, is that it runs out of power going up a steep hill in 5th gear with the AC on, and tops out at about 70 MPH in 5th gear with the AC on, on a flat stretch of road, so if the tornado made a noticable impact on HP (even 2 extra hp, since it is 64 hp stock,) and torque I felt I would be able to feel the difference at WOT, 65 mph in 5th gear with the AC on. So far, I have not noticed any loss of power or torque since installing it. It seems to be running a tiny bit smother, cleaner burning, and maybe has a little more torque, but that could just be wishfull thinking on my part or the new ULSD fuel that hit the stations here recently, about the time I bought the third tank full of ULSD, or due to my moving the air intake plenum to catch cooler air at the front of the vehicle.

So, I have read all of this thread and another similar thread, but I had to take frequent breaks to keep from busting a gut in laughter, but today I was at Autozone (they have a 24 hr, 7 day/wk, always open version near me) picking up some supplies when I noticed that Autozone has jumped in and starting stocking these damn things (tornados), and has them advertized now in this weeks flier promoting the hell out of them and they are on the shelf right next to the K & N filters section.

I also noticed that Quaker State has a new oil out that has Slick 50 in their latest motor oil! Brings back memories of Bobs the oil guy saying if it was any good as an oil additive the big oil guys would be using it already. Hmmmmm? Of course, I am still not a fan of slick 50 (PTFE) in engines, but I do know many racing engines use Dry Moly and PTFE dry film coatings on their engine parts.

Anyway, I am not sure I am ready to write this tornado product off as entirely BS only because of the odd things that happen when you introduce rotational energy into the fluid mechanics equation.

I would like to see the test results by others that were mentioned that claim to prove it does nothing usefull for power or MPGs. Are any of them on the web? Links?

However, it has been my experience that those kinds of tests are frequenlty biased, and not set up properly, or should I say they are designed to prove it does not and can not work by delibertly skewing the test results with a sometimes deliberately poor experimental design.

This is based on my observations of how new and novel miracle devices typically get treated until years later when the science and understanding catches up with the new technolgy, or the facts finally just can not be hidden any longer by big business and big money. I am speaking of how a few major chemical companies paid universities 30-40 years ago to "Prove" that ozone treatment of water was voodoo science in order to protect thier huge chemical market for cooling water treatment. Then one day NASA, NACE and EPA did a study of there own that proved ozone worked and could eliminate chemical treatment of cooling water. It was near death blow for the cooling tower chemical suppliers. So my point is I have learned to skeptical of both sides.

I wish I had the time and money to do a real dyno test with mine (tornado on my diesel), but for now it fells like I am squeeking out just a tiny bit more power out of mine with this cork screw device. Unfortunatley, I do not have a tachometer or MPH gauge on mine working on this beast yet, but those are in the works. So I might get the chance someday to test the top end MPH on this with and with out the tornado.

OK, have it guys, perhaps I will at least get a few good laughs out of the replies.

Oh, and by the way, Radon has very short half light and decays rapidly into a radioactive lead isotope, so it's not entirely inert, LOL. :yelclap: They probably arrested him for excess lead emissions, LOL! :laugh:
 
"Tornados on the shelf next to the K&Ns"....good gimmick...they belong on the same shelf...and ozone is a GREAT anti-microbial if the item you are treating can stand up to the exposure...and it will kill the WORST odors...I put an ozone generator in a mini-van in which a large snake had died and rotted...(after doing the best at cleaning the mess up)...after 12 hours (doors closed and windows up)....the ozone completely eliminated the smell. Just dont expose yourself to high levels...it is very toxic.
 
If i'm seeing the "Fuel Saver 7000" corectly it takes fuel from your fuel line, puts it through a vaporization chamber and then into your air intake box in the hope that it will be sucked through your intake? it might work a little better if the extra fuel was added directly to the intake manifold.
Has anybody here tried to use Acetone as an additive?
As for the Tornado, as some have mentioned you might see a minimal gain in flow and mixture in a high rise Edelbrock Victor manifold with a carb. It would probly hurt the flow and fuel mixture to the end cylinders.


~Alex
 
alex22 said:
If i'm seeing the "Fuel Saver 7000" corectly it takes fuel from your fuel line, puts it through a vaporization chamber and then into your air intake box in the hope that it will be sucked through your intake? it might work a little better if the extra fuel was added directly to the intake manifold.
Has anybody here tried to use Acetone as an additive?
As for the Tornado, as some have mentioned you might see a minimal gain in flow and mixture in a high rise Edelbrock Victor manifold with a carb. It would probly hurt the flow and fuel mixture to the end cylinders.


~Alex
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I did the acetone thing for two tanks of gas in my omni, mileage went up 2-3mpg and stayed there after i stopped using the acetone. i think its just el cheapo injector cleaner.
 
I remember a few seasons ago when I was pickin corn in the field while I was on my power chair. I was just 4 wheelin it though the mud and pickin as much as I could. Then outta nowhere this tornado comes down and picks me right up in my power chair. I was flyin all over the place. I was like dag gummit what kinda mess did I get myself into. Then I went ahead and shit in my pants. I was like uh oh, I forgot a depends. When that puppy had finally dropped me, I figured I would fall to certain death. Instead I just gunned my power chair and it was like a helicopter. I just started flyin across my field and then landed in a hay stack. I backed her on out and got out to inspect the damage. There wasn't much but a scratch in my 4 dollar paint job. I knew she was a sturdy power chair.
 
JNickel101 said:
Don't forget to clamp a big magnet around your fuel line, it helps align the microscopic particles in the fuel and make it burn more efficiently, resulting in more power and better fuel mileage....

:rof:
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Thats my favorite one!!!!!!!!!:yap: :yap: :yap: :yap: :yap: :yap: :yap: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: but really think about...its an obstruction in your intake. if it was something worth while and really worked it would have come stock. If you have one..sell it..if not, can the KN filter an grab a Cellulous one. I understand the KN filter get crappy when damp and dirty resulting in power loss.

something to think about

Cipey
 
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I have a co-worker with a GC 4.0 and Tornado, he said there was actually a gain I called:bs: on that statement. He took it to have it dyno'd and said #'s were improvement over not having installed.

I'm still waiting for printout to verify for myself with my own :eyes:
 
OCMI_Teddy said:
:wstupid:
also placing 6 nuts(one for each cylinder) in your intake will help you save on gas:explosion
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oh yeah.. I heard about this.. something like the nuts go in your engine and put large dents in your piston sleeves the dents equate to a larger bore size or something and the bent rods help with compression. :eeks1:

The only kinda crap liek this I tried out was the tb spacer. And accoriding to my Scanguage II which plugs into my odbII or whatever port I got a 2/3 mpg increase. And quite noticable engine response.


Tornados... electric superchargers... and the like are crap.

:hang:
 
omgomgomg............... if you think tornado is bad.. this ebay auction claims by putting his little fiberglass pucks on top of your engine.. you'll get 20-40% gas mileage.

ebay auction: 350003094396

I'm angry at these people who make dumb crap like this cause for every 500 dumb ideas to get better gas mileage one of them might actually be usefull and work yet its passed off as crap. Its like the boy who cried wolf.
 
WPG98XJ said:
omgomgomg............... if you think tornado is bad.. this ebay auction claims by putting his little fiberglass pucks on top of your engine.. you'll get 20-40% gas mileage.

ebay auction: 350003094396

I'm angry at these people who make dumb crap like this cause for every 500 dumb ideas to get better gas mileage one of them might actually be usefull and work yet its passed off as crap. Its like the boy who cried wolf.
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Holy crap, look at his feedback at some of the other crap he's ebayed!
"SinOMen Male Sex Testosterone Booster (#220174330443)"

Then check this other link out. I've got an electric leaf blower I plan on trying with my 2.5 MJ that runs too rich.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]http://videos.streetfire.net/video/ab544e3b-5dff-416d-9cfd-a1ad23ca9564.htm[/FONT]
 
and here i thought orgone was where everybody else in the country thinks i live!
 
WPG98XJ said:
omgomgomg............... if you think tornado is bad.. this ebay auction claims by putting his little fiberglass pucks on top of your engine.. you'll get 20-40% gas mileage.

ebay auction: 350003094396

I'm angry at these people who make dumb crap like this cause for every 500 dumb ideas to get better gas mileage one of them might actually be usefull and work yet its passed off as crap. Its like the boy who cried wolf.
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What I can't figure out is how he got a 100% positive feed back rating for 98 auctions?:eyes: :wierd:

I noticed in some earlier posts that someone reported that Mechanics illustrated ( or was it popular mechanics?) published a test where their tornado test showed a 5% drop in power, but there were no details as to the engine, engine rpm and fuel consumption at that 5% reduced power in his post, ??? One piece of data is meaningless without the other. More power does not necessarily come with more fuel economy, and visa versa.

Someday I would like to see some real, complete data sets on one of these tornados. I have been using a tornado on my diesel Jeep (Nissan SD22, NA) engine for over 6 months now. Have not had time (or inclination) to uninstall it for comparisons, but my ealier impression was a slight improvement in top end performance. I did not and have not noticed any loss of fuel economy or power since installing it. To be fair, and impartial, I did move the intake forward from the engine bay to a spot close to the front grill at the same time I installed the Tornado, so I can't be sure (or claim) which one had which effect but the combo gave me a bit more umpf at or near the top the end of the SD22's peak torque in 5th gear. I do know from measurements I took that my intake air was about 35 F colder after moving the intake hose.

I am not planning to try one on my 4.0 gasser.

I think my gas 4.0, probably just needs more positive orgone. :rattle: :laugh2: :roflmao:
 
Ecomike said:
What I can't figure out is how he got a 100% positive feed back rating for 98 auctions?:eyes: :wierd:
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If all the people he sold to, gave him positive, that's 100% of his 98 sales, which is 100%, not 98%. Fraction being 98/98

For example, if the next two people give him negative feedback, he'd have 98/100 positive, so 98%
 
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