The Dana 34 Project: The Ultimate turd polish!

Glenn, I don't know why you hate 8.8s so much... they are great axles when built right. I thought I might win you over with the LS2 XJ. You thought the axles would never hold up to the heavy tire/wheel combo and that much power, but its been beat on, jumped, done on street burn outs, basically given any type of punishment you can think of and we have had absolutely no trouble at all.

Oh well, guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks. :cool:

Anyway... I think you are going about this the wrong way. I had housing issues with my rear 44 in my Willys. A lot of people (including Glenn) told me to stop wasting my time with the 44 and just swap in a 60. BUT... I haven't had any trouble with internals breaking, just bent housings. I ended up sleeveing the housing with a larger DOM tube, and that worked out great. There are 2 things that make a tube more resistant to bending, the OD, and the wall thickness. With an external sleeve, you are doing both. The issue you are going to run into as far as the housing geos is that you are either going to have to open up the casting to get the 44 tubes in, or turn down the tubes to fit the D30 casting, or a combination of both. Either way, you are going to have a weak spot where the tube meets the casting. With an external sleeve over the factory D30 tube, you could just bevel the end of the sleeve where it meets the cast and then weld them together. Also, drill several holes in the sleeve and rosette weld it on. Then, to get D44 outers, cut the inner Cs off of the 44 and open them up slightly to fit the new sleeved housing. You would end up wit a much stronger combination for a lot less work.

As far as the 30 spline stock carrier... I guess that's a cool option for someone on a budget, but I would have personally just gotten a 30 Spline Detroit and been done with it. However, I too am a cheap bastard when it comes to my own stuff (trail rigs anyway) so I do get it. I WOULD NEVER run a spool/lincoln locker in the front though, because personally, I like to be able to turn.

Hats off for trying something new, but I personally don't see this turning out good. Kinda like Auburn ECTED Lockers... a good idea that received bad engineering.
 
Glenn, I don't know why you hate 8.8s so much... they are great axles when built right. I thought I might win you over with the LS2 XJ. You thought the axles would never hold up to the heavy tire/wheel combo and that much power, but its been beat on, jumped, done on street burn outs, basically given any type of punishment you can think of and we have had absolutely no trouble at all.

Oh well, guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks. :cool:

I guess you missed all the smileys.... :cheers: Was meant in humor to Andy who probalby got it. :spin1: I was telling ANdy about the ls2 xj and the only problem you had was the crossmember.
 
Glenn has always busted my ass about my love for 8.8s No worries though Ive seen his goofy rear sling about oooooo 75 drive shafts? and finally 10 years later he finally tries to make a traction bar after I busted him for that ever since I met him. We all get even eventually. Team willys, thanks for the comments. I have been building parts in this industry for about 10 years now and have learned that nobody likes new or different ideas until they get proven by somebody famous. It stopped hurting my feelings a long time ago. Most of my ideas work some don't I have run a bunch of spooled/ locked front ends but they only have one purpose... That is to GO! slow turning, etc is not in my agenda for this axle. We will see what happens. Hopefully when the R&P blows Glenn will be in the passenger seat as we lock up and high side onto our lid. I don't know about about you but that sounds like a good time to me!
 
Glenn has always busted my ass about my love for 8.8s

I am picking up my 8.8 w/detroit, 4.10's and disks and a driveshaft tomorrow. Its ready to bolt up too! NOt I just need some Ironman4x4 control arms, maybe shackles and some .75 coil spacers and I am ready to bolt it on.
 
Glenn has always busted my ass about my love for 8.8s No worries though Ive seen his goofy rear sling about oooooo 75 drive shafts? and finally 10 years later he finally tries to make a traction bar after I busted him for that ever since I met him. We all get even eventually. Team willys, thanks for the comments. I have been building parts in this industry for about 10 years now and have learned that nobody likes new or different ideas until they get proven by somebody famous. It stopped hurting my feelings a long time ago. Most of my ideas work some don't I have run a bunch of spooled/ locked front ends but they only have one purpose... That is to GO! slow turning, etc is not in my agenda for this axle. We will see what happens. Hopefully when the R&P blows Glenn will be in the passenger seat as we lock up and high side onto our lid. I don't know about about you but that sounds like a good time to me!

Ya just had to bring out the big guns. LOL! Well I think locking up the front could be definately intresting.
 
Like I said, I like the idea and I do "get it." Im ok with the carrier/internals. While its not ideal for what I would need, it should be plenty strong for what you want to do. I just don't think the housing is gonna be what you expect it to be. I have been doing this for many years myself, about 8 years really into it seriously. I have had my fair share of housing failures, and after building a few different options, the sleeving method is the only one that actually solved the problem. Im not saying yours wont work, as it probably will. Im just saying that I feel like sleeving it would be a better solution. But, that option requires buying BIG DOM, which costs money. But I am curious to see it come together!

On a side note, this might be a cheap option for you, but would be ridiculously expensive for anyone who doesn't have machine tools, so much that it would actually be cheaper to just buy a 30 spline carrier to begin with.
 
Like I said, I like the idea and I do "get it." Im ok with the carrier/internals. While its not ideal for what I would need, it should be plenty strong for what you want to do. I just don't think the housing is gonna be what you expect it to be. I have been doing this for many years myself, about 8 years really into it seriously. I have had my fair share of housing failures, and after building a few different options, the sleeving method is the only one that actually solved the problem. Im not saying yours wont work, as it probably will. Im just saying that I feel like sleeving it would be a better solution. But, that option requires buying BIG DOM, which costs money. But I am curious to see it come together!

On a side note, this might be a cheap option for you, but would be ridiculously expensive for anyone who doesn't have machine tools, so much that it would actually be cheaper to just buy a 30 spline carrier to begin with.

Less work to build a 60.....

Get an old D60 housing w/tubes, weld some torino ends on, use the explorer brakes and rotors and a pair of alloy 35 spline shafts. Buy a carrier and a gearset and call it good. :cheers:
 
Or just get a SF60 out of an E250 that came with disc brakes.

:)

could but it is C-Clip and 8 x 6.5 (or maybe even the 7 lug crap they did).
 
Good point on the c-clip portion.

I wonder if you can get custom shafts and use some other rotors to get 5 lug.

The C-clip will never fail (nor will probably the shaft) though.

Also keep in mind the bearings are inside the axle tube on the SF ford vans so finding custom shafts would be more challenging.

Don't forget it is 67" wide too so it is too long to match up with a D30.
 
Also true.

But the E-250s are (I believe) already a 1.5" 35-spline shaft. Wouldn't it be as simple as getting a 5-lug flanged shaft?

Might be but the axle bearing (Set 10,20, etc) is not pressed on the shaft like most of our aftermarket shafts are. They are 1.5" shafts but taper differently than the other shafts because there is no surface for the bearing to be pressed onto.

I will try to take some pictures later. I have all that crap in my garage.
 
wow, Whered all this dana 60 stuff coming from?? Im getting one of those next weekend... LOL Ill do a thread on it.
In the meantime. back to wimpy axle tech , I turned down the long side tube today from 2.750 to 2.480 to press in the dana 30 housing That leaves me with a .365 wall section pressed into the D 30 housing. To make up for this I am going to press in about 6" of 1.75x .1875 tubing just to offer a little encouragement at the housing ends to bump up the thickness back to .5525. with a little drill and plug work I wont have less than 1/2" wall tubing as well as.
 
I had to have a way to center the axle tube on the lather so I machined a center slug starting from a blank piece of 3" CR solid.
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I sized one side to match the ID of the seal mount so this would fit tight and create a cap on the axle tube.
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This is to size....
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I flipped it around and center drilled it so that I can now center my Axle from the tail stock end.
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Next I turned down a pc. of 1.75x.250 wall DOM to fit snugly inside the tube so that I could chuck it in the headstock with the outer C remaining on the tube.
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I pounded the hold tube into the axle and chucked it up.
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The center slug is installed and ready to turn!
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The axle tube cut like butter but those damn plug welds get things a little hot!
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Cut to size ready to go!
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My camera died at this point. I took a soft wheel to the whole tube while the lathe was turning at 760. took about 3 min to have the whole thing shiny.

more pics to come
 
It's..... so...... shiney......

Looks good, get more pics up asap. This is a pretty interesting build.
 
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