Target of Opportunity...

[5-90]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100715/ap_on_re_us/us_immigrants_dream_university

Seriously - if we have a reasonable suspicion (at least) that they're all illegal, why doesn't ICE just round them up and check them out? Anyone found without reason to be here can be sent down to Tierra del Fuego (just dropping them over the border in TJ or across the Rio Grande obviously isn't working.)

They're rounding themselves up in one big Charlie-Foxtrot, so why don't we take advantage of that fact? We should be doing likewise everytime there's an "illegal immigrant support" rally - round them up, sort them out. Let those with Green Cards and citizens go home, everyone else gets dropped off somewhere far away.

We won't split up the families - we'll take their anchor babies as well. Once we've established that both of the parents are illegals, we can rescind the citizenship of the baby - solves that little headache!

Once and and For the Record - I have nothing against immigration. Follow the process and come here legally, and we'll welcome you with open arms! Bring in a skill that will help your new homeland.

Swim across a river, expect us to speak your language, and don't follow the rules; and you can expect to be rounded up and sent far away. It's just easier for us to do so when you guys collect yourselves like this.

And damn the ACLU!

 

[XJEEPER]

It is mind-boggling how the US Government has allowed millions of illegals to over-run our country, simply by failure to enforce the law. It is a shining example of the graft and corruption that has infiltrated our country's political system.

Here is a great article that outlines the problems and the simple solutions.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/history/american/4011-deporting-illegal-immigrants


General conditions to become a US Citizen:

[SIZE=-1] 1. Are at least 18 years old and a lawful permanent resident ("green card" holder);[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 2. Have resided continuously in the United States, having been lawfully admitted for permanent residence, for five years immediately preceding the date you filed your application for naturalization, or[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 3. Have, after having been removed from conditional permanent resident status, based upon your marriage to a U.S. citizen, having resided in the United States for one year after the date the condition was removed;[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 4. Have resided continuously in the United States at all times after your application to the time and date of your admission for citizenship;[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 5. Have, during all periods of time referred to above, been and still are a person of good moral character;[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 6. Have no outstanding deportation or removal order and no pending deportation or removal proceeding;[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 7. Have the ability to read, write, speak, and understand simple words and phrases in English;[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 8. Have knowledge and understanding of the fundamentals of U.S. history and government;[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1] 9. Are attached to, and can support, the principles of the U.S. Constitution and can swear allegiance to the United States.[/SIZE]

You may be found not to possess “good moral character” if you were convicted of murder, an “aggravated felony,” as defined by federal immigration law, a crime of “moral turpitude,” a controlled substance crime (but not for simple possession of 30 grams or less of marijuana), if you gave false testimony to obtain immigration benefits, failed to provide child support, committed adultery or were involved in prostitution, were charged with domestic violence or spousal abuse, or failed to register for Selective Service if you are between the ages of 18 and 25. USCIS has paid greater attention to the offense of driving under the influence of alcohol or other substances, particularly to multiple offense by the same applicant where the latest offense is considered a felony by state law, and is scrutinizing domestic violence or spousal abuse cases very carefully.

 

[Original_MudButt]

Seriously - if we have a reasonable suspicion (at least) that they're all illegal, why doesn't ICE just round them up and check them out? .....

A) That would make too much sense.

B) Try and hold these types of protest in mexico as an illegal alien and see how long it lasts.

 

[joe_peters]

We don't have to do squat and the illegal problem in this country can be ended in about 60 days at minimal cost.

ARREST THE EMPLOYERS OF ILLEGALS--mom and pop business, arrest both mom and pop. A corporation--arrest the plant manager/CEO, the supervisor, the CFO/accountant--they are all in on it. Take them out of the workplace in handcuffs, videotaping it and posting it on YouTube, put their pictures and names and the names of the companies/businesses up on a website. Try them, convict them, incarcerate them. When the employers go down the jobs go away, the illegals pack their stuff and leave the country, anchor babies in tow. When the babies grow up and are emancipated they can return to the U.S. as natural born citizens.

Done. Finished. Low cost. Sensible, and Doable.

 

[5-90]

We don't have to do squat and the illegal problem in this country can be ended in about 60 days at minimal cost.

ARREST THE EMPLOYERS OF ILLEGALS--mom and pop business, arrest both mom and pop. A corporation--arrest the plant manager/CEO, the supervisor, the CFO/accountant--they are all in on it. Take them out of the workplace in handcuffs, videotaping it and posting it on YouTube, put their pictures and names and the names of the companies/businesses up on a website. Try them, convict them, incarcerate them. When the employers go down the jobs go away, the illegals pack their stuff and leave the country, anchor babies in tow. When the babies grow up and are emancipated they can return to the U.S. as natural born citizens.

Done. Finished. Low cost. Sensible, and Doable.

OK - so how do we do that?

Sounds like how the entire issue of slavery could have been solved, and the Civil War averted (yes, I know the Civil War wasn't about slavery directly - it was about the rights of the States to secede from the Union. Slavery was merely the catalysing issue.) Lincoln could have simply appropriated enough funding from the Treasury to have bought all of the slaves, manumitted them outright, and that would see to that.

This is merely another "supply and demand" problem - dry up the demand, and the supply will go away! So what are we waiting for?

 

[joe_peters]

OK - so how do we do that?

1. It is illegal to pay wages under the table.
2. It is illegal to fail to withhold and deposit PR taxes.
3. It is illegal to fail to pay workers' comp and unemployment taxes.
4. It is illegal to fail to file correct PR tax reports.
5. It is illegal to falsify information on income tax returns.

The laws are in place, simply increase the penalties, make them criminal and civil crimes.

Also, how about a $500 reward to any U.S. citizen or Legal Resident that turns in an employer?

Hell, the feds are already doing the "quiet" immigration raids, they just aren't arresting the employers, merely citations.

 

[XJEEPER]

This is merely another "supply and demand" problem - dry up the demand, and the supply will go away! So what are we waiting for?

"WE" being those in charge in Washington, see more potential voters and more revenue from taxes/SS via fraudelently obtained documentation by illegals of higher value that the soverienty of this nation and our economy.

If one follows the Cloward/Piven strategy, one would recognize that illegal immigration and the massive burden it has placed on our Welfare system is part of their end game.......
"the goal of this movement was not to move people off welfare; rather, it was to put more people on. The welfare rights movement–led on the ground by [Congress for Racial Equality] CORE’s George Wiley and in print by Richard A. Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, both then at Columbia University–had as its improbable thesis that putting more people on the welfare rolls would force the urban political crisis that the nation’s liberal politicians would have no choice but to deal with if they wanted to maintain Democratic supremacy in national politics."


"Mass movements whose outward purpose seems to be providing material help to the downtrodden, but whose real objective is to draft poor people into service as revolutionary foot soldiers; to mobilize poor people en masse to overwhelm government agencies with a flood of demands beyond the capacity of those agencies to meet. The flood of demands was calculated to break the budget, jam the bureaucratic gears into gridlock, and bring the system crashing down. Fear, turmoil, violence and economic collapse would accompany such a breakdown — providing perfect conditions for fostering radical change. That was the theory."

Cloward and Piven recruited a militant black organizer named George Wiley to lead their new movement. In the summer of 1967, Wiley founded the National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO). His tactics closely followed the recommendations set out in Cloward and Piven’s article. His followers invaded welfare offices across the United States — often violently — bullying social workers and loudly demanding every penny to which the law "entitled" them. By 1969, NWRO claimed a dues-paying membership of 22,500 families, with 523 chapters across the nation.

By the early 1970s, one person was on the welfare rolls in New York City for every two working in the city’s private economy." As a direct result of its massive welfare spending, New York City was forced to declare bankruptcy in 1975. The entire state of New York nearly went down with it. The Cloward-Piven strategy had proved its effectiveness.

In 1982, partisans of the Cloward-Piven strategy founded a new "voting rights movement," which purported to take up the unfinished work of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Like ACORN, the organization that spear-headed this campaign, the new "voting rights" movement was led by veterans of George Wiley’s welfare rights crusade. Its flagship organizations were Project Vote and Human SERVE, both founded in 1982.

Project Vote is an ACORN front group, launched by former NWRO organizer and ACORN co-founder Zach Polett. Human SERVE was founded by Richard A. Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, along with a former NWRO organizer named Hulbert James.

All three of these organizations — ACORN, Project Vote and Human SERVE — set to work lobbying energetically for the so-called Motor-Voter law, which Bill Clinton ultimately signed in 1993. The Motor-Voter bill is largely responsible for swamping the voter rolls with "dead wood" — invalid registrations signed in the name of deceased, ineligible or non-existent people — thus opening the door to the unprecedented levels of voter fraud and "voter disenfranchisement" claims that followed in subsequent elections.

Illegals who can gain the means to obtain a Drivers License, Welfare benefits, etc. can also vote...... who do you think they will be voting for?

 

[Capt. Nemo]

ICE, for the record, isn't going to do squat here in AZ. LEO's in the Phoenix area who call ICE to verify immigration status are literally being hung up on or the phone just rings. Border Patrol has told LEO's north of Tuscon that they will not respond north of Tuscon to pick up UDA's.

So, in essence, nothing will change here in AZ unless there is cooperation from the feds. LEO's which cannot get verification from the feds of someone's legal status are obligated to let them walk.

Gotta love it.

 

[5-90]

Perhaps I misstated - how do we make that happen? You've got a plan - how do we put that plan in place?

 

[RichP]

Arizona would have been better served to enforce some state tax laws that involve checking the books of every business and verifying SS# to match tax payments, that would go much further than police checking ID's. Or would that also infringe on federal stuff.

"Well mr smith, we show your employee carlos is also paying taxes in NJ, must be a hell of a commute".