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Holding a public office and representing the constituents in your district/State is a privilege and should not be a career that makes you eligible for retirement pay. Career politicians are a pox on our Republic.
Something positive about Obama...?!
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BigSky89XJ
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I define a politician as an individual that distorts and misleads to get into office then uses that office to gain power and influence so he/she can obtain a high paying private sector position... such as a lobbist or consultant. Political parties are a smoke screen used to polarize a gullible electorate. While we argue "Democrat vs Republican" they both laugh all the way to the bank! They indulge in smear campaigns cause they cannot run on their records. Representatives of "we the people"? I think not. They legislate what their party leaders and campaign donors want, not what their constituents want. The blame lies with the citizens of this country. Less than half of the eligible citizens vote. Those that do vote do not perform their own research. They listen to left or right wing "talking heads" and believe it to be the truth. Apathy and intellectual laziness has allowed politicians to corrupt our country. My opinion, vote all the mouth-breathers out of office and NEVER re-elect another politician until control of the country is taken from corporations and private interests and returned to the citizens of this country. OK, I'm off the soapbox and back into my XJ where it is safe!
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"The system began to go downhill once 'politician' became a career choice."
Y'ask me, elected office should be the Federal job that is totally ineligible for retirement benefits! Should work wonders for term limits...
Boatwrench
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Something positive about Obama...
He pulled nearly ALL of our troops out of that farse of a war in Iraq. Put them in Afghanistan where they can finish the job that was started over 9 years ago.
...and for the record, Gov't health care is AWESOME! I consider myself VERY lucky for having free health care for life!
He pulled nearly ALL of our troops out of that farse of a war in Iraq. Put them in Afghanistan where they can finish the job that was started over 9 years ago.
...and for the record, Gov't health care is AWESOME! I consider myself VERY lucky for having free health care for life!
Jeepman401
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your right, but excuse me If I dont feel sorry for the politician getting over 100k a year from his pension
You should consider yourself lucky, obamacare will pay for your rehab whenever you burn out on whatever your smoking if you truly think it is "free"
deathpanels lol. Tell me, how will Obama administer these deathpanels? Will he come down the chimney - like Santa - to kidnap our loved ones? Perhaps he'll dawn some Judge Dredd garb, and kill our kinfolk using his instant field judiciary powers? Maybe, he'll just subcontract the work to the easter bunny and the tooth fairy? Than again, his plan could involve klingons or an imperial death star.... anything's plausible when deathpanels are concerned.
It is utterly amazing to me that people believe what ever they are told without doing research of creditable sources of information. This happens from both sides, the right and left, of the political spectrum. Sadly, these are the people who do what they can to strike fear into the public who is too ignorant or lazy to question what they hear and make informed decisions.
I know the deathpanels are feared, why not, someone else told you to believe in them. Just like someone told you to think that gov't health care is a bad idea, and you will be required to have it. Yet, those who tell you to think this way have gov't health care for the remainder of their lives.. seems strange to me.
How about Obama admin taking all yer guns away? How many sheep went out and bought up guns at painfully inflated prices, ammo at even worse prices. Tell me... how did that work out for ya?
Ironically enough, the people spreading the fear now are touting the current government as the reincarnation of the Nazi party. I find this funny as these people are using the same tactics, propaganda, methodology, and basis of fears as Goebbels prayed on to unite Germans under the Nazi flag.
As for the Bush admin having a plan for Iraq. Please provide me with a creditable source stating his withdraw plan, if it does exist I will give credit where it is due. From what I saw, the war in Iraq was waged under the guise of false information, and stemmed from the fears of the American people. It was the unjustifiable path which lead to the death of thousands of our countrymen, tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis, and the wounding of hundreds of thousands of others. This doesn't bring the effects on the families left behind into the equation. How many billions in tax dollars were thrown down the drain at the hands of the Bush admin in the form of an unjust and illegal war in Iraq? What was the net profit for those who had their hand in the pot?
Just as Crawler mentioned, Obama's admin will just follow Bush's plan. He will bring in Haliburton, we all know they do an AMAZING job at anything they are involved in.
I know the deathpanels are feared, why not, someone else told you to believe in them. Just like someone told you to think that gov't health care is a bad idea, and you will be required to have it. Yet, those who tell you to think this way have gov't health care for the remainder of their lives.. seems strange to me.
How about Obama admin taking all yer guns away? How many sheep went out and bought up guns at painfully inflated prices, ammo at even worse prices. Tell me... how did that work out for ya?
Ironically enough, the people spreading the fear now are touting the current government as the reincarnation of the Nazi party. I find this funny as these people are using the same tactics, propaganda, methodology, and basis of fears as Goebbels prayed on to unite Germans under the Nazi flag.
As for the Bush admin having a plan for Iraq. Please provide me with a creditable source stating his withdraw plan, if it does exist I will give credit where it is due. From what I saw, the war in Iraq was waged under the guise of false information, and stemmed from the fears of the American people. It was the unjustifiable path which lead to the death of thousands of our countrymen, tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis, and the wounding of hundreds of thousands of others. This doesn't bring the effects on the families left behind into the equation. How many billions in tax dollars were thrown down the drain at the hands of the Bush admin in the form of an unjust and illegal war in Iraq? What was the net profit for those who had their hand in the pot?
Just as Crawler mentioned, Obama's admin will just follow Bush's plan. He will bring in Haliburton, we all know they do an AMAZING job at anything they are involved in.
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NAZI propaganda was mired in fear-based governance. If you stick around here long enough and you'll notice certain people enjoy associating Obama's policies with communist sentiments to drum up fear. It's comedic gold IMO.
Oh I see it, and it makes me laugh.
Fear-based governance is exactly what some people in our government, and the puppeteers of those people are just pots calling the kettle black.
"Deathpanels" is sensational terminology commonly substituted for the very real health care rationing, which will certainly intensify
in times of economic crisis, emergency, shortage, etc... here's a couple of references if you don't understand the concept...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_rationing_in_the_United_States
http://www.nrlc.org/press_releases_new/Release062209.html
As for the Bush administration's having worked out a time line for withdrawing troops from Iraq, here's a couple of dated references...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/21/AR2008082100310_pf.html
http://www.nsnetwork.org/node/947
I didn't like George Bush. I don't like Barrack Obama. I trust no politicians (regardless of party) or the mainstream media (including FOX,
though they seem to be presenting a little more truth than the others). I'm only hoping that the tea party can make some amount of
difference, but then that remains to be seen while being given adequate opportunity. Obama's had about two years now, and... (oh well)
in times of economic crisis, emergency, shortage, etc... here's a couple of references if you don't understand the concept...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_rationing_in_the_United_States
http://www.nrlc.org/press_releases_new/Release062209.html
As for the Bush administration's having worked out a time line for withdrawing troops from Iraq, here's a couple of dated references...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/21/AR2008082100310_pf.html
http://www.nsnetwork.org/node/947
I didn't like George Bush. I don't like Barrack Obama. I trust no politicians (regardless of party) or the mainstream media (including FOX,
though they seem to be presenting a little more truth than the others). I'm only hoping that the tea party can make some amount of
difference, but then that remains to be seen while being given adequate opportunity. Obama's had about two years now, and... (oh well)
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RichP
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The term you are all really looking for is called triage, it is what is done when resources are limited and has been practiced for hundreds of years. Triage is what will be done by accountants that run the new health care system the same way it is done in England now.
As far as the tea party groups are concerned, the problem is that when you have to walk around the cesspool that is Washington DC with feces all over the place you get it on your boots no matter how hard you try to stay clean. Politician sleeze balls that can't make headway in the dem or rep party are now flocking to the the Tea people in hopes of getting ahead there. I got involved with my local group after the protest in DC that I went to, within 6 months we had the slime balls moving in on the people who started it and hijacking it which is what has happened in many places. In many cases lawyers are the curse of this country and most of them are politicians.
I understand what, as someone else put, triage is. I have used it in my own life during mass-causality situations, and I know how it works. Also, Wikipedia shouldn't be used as a creditable source, nor should a website as utterly biased as the National Right to Life's homepage.
Yes, Bush did state he was going to agree with a withdrawal from Iraq by 2011. This came in an agreement dated August 21st, 2008. Did you stop to think that this agreement maybe has something to do with the quickly approaching 2008 elections, and late 2011 doesn't have anything to do with the NEXT presidential elections? It was purely a political ploy to get some of the anti-war swing voters in the GOP's camp.
The second link only furthers that assumption on my part. The National Security Network, which you cited, is chaired by a number of unsavory people; McNamara's puppet in the 60's, Harvard Law graduate and personal acquaintance of Wolfowitz, and the list goes on. Needless to say, a quite biased bunch of guys.
I come to this conclusion by personal observation of policy and tactics, as well as research of creditable sources (CQ Researcher for one)
You say you trust no politicians, yet you cite sources that are the puppets of current political powers, and run by former members of those parties. I don't trust any of them either, and I certainly didn't appreciate Bush and his push for a war in Iraq. I feel Obama has done a great job thus far trying to clean up the mess that the Bush admin had made for the previous 8 years. Let's also not forget that when Obama took office, he gave the ball to Congress, to fix the hole in this sinking boat. If they were unable to do so in one year, he would step in and start using executive powers to do it the way he sees fit. Well, the internal fighting in Congress went nowhere in a year, so Obama took the reigns, just as he said he would do. So, in reality, Obama has only had a year to patch the hole. Sadly, there is so much separation in the population, and the worthless whores in DC, that nobody really cares about what is good for the entire nation. I see Obama doing what he sees as proper to help out us all, despite the arrogance and ignorance of his nation.
... and don't get me started on the Tea Party. Wow, what a bag of nuts they are.
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Essentially correct - "triage" is what is done to maximise the use of limited resources (particularly in times of disaster or conflict) or used to prioritise treatment of trauma (although just how those priorities are assigned can differ according to the guidelines of treatment. Battlefield triage, for instance, often works backwards from disaster area triage.)
However, a series of triage decisions are still to be made by a medical practitioner of some variety, not a beancounter. Triage is a medical decision, not an accounting decision. When the decisionmaking process is moved from medical to accounting, the result is going to be something akin to rationing (preserving resources, instead of preserving life.)
Kinda how accountants get involved in engineering decisions, and we all end up with substandard parts in critical applications...
Sadly this is done today in the current US health care system. It is evidenced in the inability for some with "existing conditions" being unable to get medical coverage. Don't think for one minute that the MD's making these decisions in the private industry actually care about patients, they are glorified bean counters in a corner office, far from the operating room.
Jeepman401
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so the politicians are the ones who care? Amazing
I trust my doctor to make a decision more than some gov. accountant
I trust my doctor to make a decision more than some gov. accountant
There's micro management (your doctor), and than there's macro management (higher level administration - like the gov). The odds that your doctor is going to initiate digital medial record keeping to save the entire system money is highly unlikely. It's also unlikely your doctor has the clout to skew fda policies, or strong-arm insurance providers to cover more people. You need someone with a broader view to make that happen.
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Seems to me that once you give someone accountant training, they forget whatever else they've learned.
I've never argued that some reform was needed - the system is broken, but it's broken by accretion (just like everything else we've got going wrong, when you come down to it.) I saw two ways of going about it:
1) Write a whole new system, and cancel the old one when the new one goes into effect.
2) Triage the accreted system, fix the most glaring problems first, and repeat PRN. (Chances are, as you repair some of the more basic issues, you'll see a lot of the small stuff fix itself.)
Things that wanted fixing:
- Pre-extant condition exclusion. A large percentage of recent bankruptcies (last 3-5 years) have been due to medical bills, and a good half of those due to pre-extant condition exceptions.
- Streamlined regulatory processes. A good deal of the costs associated with medical care are taken up in regulatory costs, FDA approvals, and the like. I'm not saying to do without it - I don't mind some oversight being in place - but how much of it do we really need?
- Cost of education. From what I've seen, the typical MD, assuming med school right out of primary school, doesn't get close to paying off student loans until he's about forty. Gotta be something we can do about that...
- Pharmaceutical costs. Even with co-pays, my wife and I are in for about $400/mo in scrips - owch! The problems with this seem to be twofold: 1) regulatory FDA costs. Even generics need to go through new approval trials - although they're chemically identical to the original brand-name. 2) Executive compensation - how much do you really need? And you do know you can't take it with you, right? (That last almost borders on being socialist in nature - but I hear about what these CEOs make and their compensation packages, and I think that I'd be perfectly willing to do the job for, say, $75K plus options. That would tie my fortune to performance. As if compensation isn't bad enough, some of the perquisites I hear about are absolutely stupid.)
That would be a start, anyhow. Methinks that solving those issues would go a long way toward solving the overall problem - and do so without having to ramp up the tax burden or cause all of the administrative and bureaucratic headache we'll be saddled with due to Obamacare (he preached transparency, but the only straight answer we could get on Obamacare was "we'll just have to pass it to see what's in it." What? How's that work again?)
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He will be gone in two years beyond that there is nothing positive about this clown.
