Socialist Playbook-this isn't about politics, it's about overthrowing the USA.

The US government doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem.

They could take 100% of the earnings from the 50% of Americans who actually pay taxes and not pay off the debt, based on the current rate of spending. Doing so would also collapse the US economy.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office reports that the richest 20 percent of taxpayers now shoulder a record 86 percent of the federal income tax burden. This is substantially higher than when Ronald Reagan took office (64 percent) and even higher than when George W. Bush took office (81 percent).

Oh, here's a reality check. The US Government currently has over $100 Trillion in unfunded liabilities, which includes the $14.7 Trillion in debt....IOU's that are committed to pay out, without the revenue to cover them. If they were a business, they would be forced into bankruptcy, yet they continue to borrow and spend more. If the goal is to collapse the system, we are well under way..................


http://blog.heritage.org/2010/10/07/you-can’t-tax-the-rich-enough-to-close-the-deficit/
 
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The US government doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem.

Cut NASA. We do not need to go look for life on Mars.

Cut military spending. The latest fangle hi-tech gee-whiz stuff isn't necessary.

Cut more military spending. Civilian contractors are making a ton of cash performing tasks that were once performed by military members.

Cut border patrol. Just look at the amount of illegals flooding into this country.

Eliminate the DHS.

what else?
 
How about fixing trade policies as well..

I would say how about of 60% of whatever is being made for sale in this country has to be made here not just manufacturing the whole process if not slap a tariff from hell on it.. Either people will buy it at the higher price (from here or imported) or they won't buy it at all (that might help personal debt as well).
If the trade policies aren't fair fix them as well if the other country doesn't offer the same access for their markets as we do F*&%$# them and don't import their stuff at all and make it a captial crime to import and sell it.. They want to play, they can play fair or get the f(&^% out.. Not Isolationist but maybe a little protectionist is what this country needs not to be brought down to the wage levels in a 3rd world country been there don't want to live there..

themud
 
Sept 15, 2011

Steven Lerner is at it again, encouraging Unions, Community Organizers and Students to escalate Protests, Break Laws, Occupy Abandon Houses and Spread The Crisis All Over The Nation.

http://youtu.be/MuFRq4sKInc


Lerner was a fund raiser for Obama's 2008 election campaign as well as his 2012 re-election campaign.

They are on the same team, working toward the same goals.
 
Listened to it heard what he was saying but I heard something else from you he never said move into homes that are abandoned just that people were doing it.. How is assembling without a permit against the law except in direct violation of laws written that are themselves in violation of the COTUS.. First amendment trumps all except when it causes problems for business and commerce for shame for people to air their grievances in public because some or all of their representatives are ignoring them.. Though they should handle that problem through voting and if the don't the have no one else to blame..

And last I checked this crisis is already all over the nation?? I'm not sure if causing a crisis for multinationals is going to do anything but they definitely aren't feeling the pain as main street does except for individual employees at those institutions.. Thus I would disagree with the recent ruling the compaines are people too that is crap.. As far as the law breaking two wrongs don't make a right but when the hell is the judicial system, SEC, and the treasury going to get wall street and the ability to crash the economy under control.. Talk about breaking laws they do it en mass and don't suffer a damn thing for it..

I favored letting the whole thing crash in 08 if you were too big to fail in 08 oh well you failed that would have been equal pain sharing from top to bottom..

And why the hell was the video not in sync with the audio?? Wonder if its tampered with not saying it is but it sure casts doubt at first look and love the starting and stopping at random times.. Reminds me of sound bites on the news and I know how accurate those are..

Sept 15, 2011

Steven Lerner is at it again, encouraging Unions, Community Organizers and Students to escalate Protests, Break Laws, Occupy Abandon Houses and Spread The Crisis All Over The Nation.

http://youtu.be/MuFRq4sKInc


Lerner was a fund raiser for Obama's 2008 election campaign as well as his 2012 re-election campaign.

They are on the same team, working toward the same goals.
 
I'm guessing the clip was shaved down because the whole speech put people to sleep. I've seen a longer version online, with the same content. This isn't the first from Lerner....you need to realize their agenda. They subscribe to the Cloward and Piven plan of causing turmoil in society so the government will be "forced" to take over everything. I've only repeated this info about 20 times in this thread........
 
Cut NASA. We do not need to go look for life on Mars.

Cut military spending. The latest fangle hi-tech gee-whiz stuff isn't necessary.

Cut more military spending. Civilian contractors are making a ton of cash performing tasks that were once performed by military members.

Cut border patrol. Just look at the amount of illegals flooding into this country.

Eliminate the DHS.

what else?

Eliminate the Department of Education. Its current budget is over $77B. Since its creation, test scores have not improved. Besides, it can be argued that it's unconstitutional.

Reform tax law. By greatly simplifying the tax code, the fed can reduce the IRS budget. Taxpayers, who "will spend $431 billion just complying with the tax code," will also benefit.

While at it, eliminate the Department of Commerce and the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

The downside is it puts a lot of people out of a job.
 
Eliminate the Department of Education. Its current budget is over $77B. Since its creation, test scores have not improved. Besides, it can be argued that it's unconstitutional.

Reform tax law. By greatly simplifying the tax code, the fed can reduce the IRS budget. Taxpayers, who "will spend $431 billion just complying with the tax code," will also benefit.

While at it, eliminate the Department of Commerce and the Department of Housing and Urban Development.

The downside is it puts a lot of people out of a job.


Thats the downside to any austerity right now the economy is so toast you mess with it by laying off more people and the argentia collapse will look like a vacation.. It will come around after the population thins about by 200 million or so from the mass chaos.. But yeah we sure could make some serious cuts and still be ok and save some serious cash in the mean time and big business would still outsource jobs like its going out of style workers cut into their profit margins too much.. Boo f(*^$$ whoo..

themud
 
Ok now that we all got that off our chests....

The state is going to give me a tax credit if I install solar. The credit will be at tax payers expense. There is no clause that states the panels need to be made in the state (think Solyndra about 25 miles south of here) but can be from anywhere. Why is tax payers money used to put tax payers out of work?

I don't believe the economy will rebound without manufacturing jobs. Here's a simplified tax code. No sales tax for any item manufactured within the 50 states.
 
The US government doesn't have a revenue problem, they have a spending problem.

Unfortunately, I think we are well beyond the point of it just being a "spending" problem.

If the federal government spends NOTHING, and only uses existing revenue of about $2.7 trillion (2012 estimate), it will take something like 7-8 years to pay the existing deficit NOT INCLUDING those other unfunded liabilities you mention.

That's if they spend money on NOTHING else at all. No military. No social security payments. No medicaid. Nothing.



This is a far bigger problem than spending cuts alone can alleviate. We need to run trillion dollar budget surpluses for several years. Spending cuts alone won't get anywhere near that.
 
Unfortunately, I think we are well beyond the point of it just being a "spending" problem.

If the federal government spends NOTHING, and only uses existing revenue of about $2.7 trillion (2012 estimate), it will take something like 7-8 years to pay the existing deficit NOT INCLUDING those other unfunded liabilities you mention.

That's if they spend money on NOTHING else at all. No military. No social security payments. No medicaid. Nothing.



This is a far bigger problem than spending cuts alone can alleviate. We need to run trillion dollar budget surpluses for several years. Spending cuts alone won't get anywhere near that.

Greece anyone.. Just saying what we all know but no one has the guts to say.. We try and fix this itll crush the next 4 generations plus all the ones alive right now.. Not enough GDP to export to the rest of the world..

themud
 
I haven't thought it all through but what would happen if we slowly increase import duties over time (4-8%/year increase)? At first glance I would suspect more domestic production would come back to the US.

People would surely bitch about the increase in price though but I would pay more for domestic made goods.
 
I haven't thought it all through but what would happen if we slowly increase import duties over time (4-8%/year increase)?



The Chinese would declare war!!!


Seriously, I would suspect retaliatory policies on goods made in and exported from the USA.
 
We try and fix this itll crush the next 4 generations plus all the ones alive right now.

I agree. It cannot be fixed immediately... but we need to start taking our medicine now.

The fact that we were even debating a debt limit increase is asinine considering our current situation. What we should have been debating is how we are going to lower the debt ceiling in each of the next 10 years.
 
Oddly enough, the majority of Americans recognize the problem......yet the elected elite continue with the same flawed policies. Can't tell me it's not part of the playbook........and it looks like our "friends" to the East are calling BS on these failed policies as well:

On Wednesday, German media commentators slam Obama's criticism of Europe.

The mass-circulation Bild writes:
"Obama's lecture on the euro crisis … is overbearing, arrogant and absurd. … In a nutshell, he is claiming that Europe is to blame for the current financial crisis, which is 'scaring the world.' Excuse me?"

"The American president seems to have forgotten a few details. The most important trigger of the financial and economic crisis was US banks and their insane real-estate dealings. The US is still piling up debt … The American congress is crippled by a battle between the right and the left. The banks are gambling just as recklessly as they did before the crisis. The president's scolding is a pathetic attempt to distract attention from his own failures. How embarrassing."

The center-left Süddeutsche Zeitung writes:

"One needs to remember the context within which Obama's scolding of the Europeans took place. It was an event where the president was raising money for the Democrats and where he wanted to explain to voters why the US economy is much worse off than he and his economic experts had believed until recently. Hence his criticism of the EU was simple electioneering."

"The problem, however, is that the US president is absolutely right. For far too long, the Europeans -- including the Germans -- treated the financial crisis as a purely American problem. They have still found no solution for their own debt crisis. Now Europe's problems are having a negative impact on growth and jobs around the world, including in the US. It would not be an exaggeration to say that Europe is threatening Obama's already precarious chances of reelection in 2012. That is something that surely does not leave Obama cold. In that respect, it doesn't help much to point out that, once the Europeans have got their house in order, the financial markets will return their attention to America's debt crisis and its ailing political system. Financially, Europe is currently the most dangerous place in the world."

The center-right Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung writes:

"Dark clouds have gathered over the American president. The gloomy state of the economy is putting a dampener on Obama's future prospects. The optimism of the past is gone, replaced by a cheap search for a scapegoat."

"Obama thinks he has found one. He blames the Europeans for reacting too late to the debt crisis. We Europeans are apparently taking on too little new debt to get out of the crisis. But we are already feeling the wonderful effects of borrowing too much money."

The financial daily Handelsblatt writes:



"That's not how friends talk to each other. That applies particularly to friends who have themselves failed to get a handle on their own, self-made crisis. Barack Obama governs a country where, despite billions in state aid, the economy is stagnating, companies refuse to invest despite calls for patriotism, and which gets embroiled in one political trench war after another … Now this country is dispensing advice, suggestions and finger-pointing."


"These are suggestions that have already failed to work in the US: Money is supposed to save Europe -- quickly and in the largest quantities possible. US Secretary of Treasury Timothy Geithner has been trying for more than two-and-a-half years to suffocate his crisis with money. But aside from the lack of success, the collateral damage is immense. It manifests itself in a loss of government credibility, a loss of trust in the currency and the paralysis of any sort of dynamism -- because the crushing debt mountain is robbing the famously optimistic Americans of their confidence."

"The fact that Barack Obama, who is a brilliant thinker, knows full well that things are much more complicated in reality does not help. Indeed, it does the opposite. In the desperate battle for his re-election he'd rather construct myths, such as claiming that the Europeans alone are responsible for the American mess. Not only is this fundamentally wrong, but -- coming as it does from a friend -- it's downright pitiful and sad."
 
Oddly enough, the majority of Americans recognize the problem......yet the elected elite continue with the same flawed policies. Can't tell me it's not part of the playbook........

What if you're mistaken about which play book and team is making the calls?

The elected elite serve their corporate masters not the you and me that make up the majority of Americans. The 1st part of the war on the middle class was education. Peoples minds were fed that lobbyist for workers were 'bad'. You know Unions? The folks who two generations ago fought child labor, made the eight hour work day standard and until recently weekends off. Turn the population against their advocates, make the Unions the bad guys, the organizations that stand up for workers and when we succeed at bringing the unionized workforce to less than 10% start whittling away at all the good unions have done.

The next step is let's get the middle class to blame the immigrants for taking "their" jobs while ignoring and not enforcing laws that monitor and put protocols on immigration. Exploit another threat known as terrorism and strip away more rights from the working person, create another federal bureaucracy that flings mud at the words of Alexander Hamilton regarding the enforcement of laws in such a fashion that freemen will see as tyranny.

Do you believe Daddy Warbucks cares if his factory is in Iowa or China, no he doesn't care where the factory that feeds his income is located. Just that there is an income and some sap to buy the trinkets he produces.
 
I agree. It cannot be fixed immediately... but we need to start taking our medicine now.

The fact that we were even debating a debt limit increase is asinine considering our current situation. What we should have been debating is how we are going to lower the debt ceiling in each of the next 10 years.

What we need is to desperately fix the tax code I do like Cain's idea of 999 or how about 9% income 14% income(on those who make 500,000 per yer or more) 9% Corp (no loopholes, no writedowns period) and 9% sales tax but you would have to repeal all other federal takes and I mean all of them.. Corporations will of course have to pay both the 14 and 9 unless they want to waive their rights to be treated like a person something given to them by the supreme court not too long ago.. Oh yeah all income is taxed dividends, stocks, trades, real estate income (no loopholes for any income) and the 9 for sales tax is only possible if it unsurps ALL other sale taxes (IE state as well) and they go away period..

As I posted above the only way to be competitive with the rest of the world is to lower wages but you can't do that with debt levels so high in this country (I do not advocate throwing millions onto the street sorry).. Either tell the companies that they have to make 60 percent of the whole manufacturing process in this country or take a hike and peddle their wares somewhere else (IE contraband now) or massively reset the debt so wages can go down and the average person isn't crushed in the process.

Now I understand accepting when you agree to pay for something but that sure is hell not what happened in 2008 when all the banks went under but were saved by the gov they wrote it off so should everyone else seems fair??? We need a bit of protectionism right now and need to severely get rid of the whole congress, the occupants in the white house and most of the judges as well and start again with regular folks.. I have no problem taking medicine as needed but if my kids get f*&$$*(ed so that someone skates away without taking theirs I'm gonna be lit up (I don't care whether it's a mutual fund manager or the guy who got a house he couldn't pay for). We could start by cutting services to the 20 million illegals in the country first and save a whole bunch of bucks there schools, hospitals (pay before service in cash), jails (call their home country unless you come and get them we're gonna put your citizen down for crimes they committed or send them back across via a rail gun)... How about not paying welfare to them for starters??

As far as the unions I like them and we need them as long as people who runs things think that others live to serve them.. I think if you fear unions because people want to stand together for something better as a whole then I don't trust you unless you can prove that everyone is happy without them being there not a hard thing to do as an owner or manager if your a good one... I live by a simple rule I will question authority just because your in that job doesn't mean you can do it let alone tell me how to do mine.. It's worked well so far.. :D
 
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