Socialist Playbook-this isn't about politics, it's about overthrowing the USA.

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What did the Communist Party USA say they wanted to do in 1963? Here's a few that stand out:

No. 3: Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/white-house/Obama-looks-to-legacy-with-nuclear-disarmament-moves-90040197.html

No. 15: Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States
http://web.archive.org/web/20010125044500/democratic-socialists.uchicago.edu/activist/current/bday-party.html

No. 17: Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations.http://trueteaching.blogspot.com/2009/10/nea-info.html Put the party line in textbooks http://socialistworker.org/2010/06/14/new-day-for-chicago-teachers

No. 19: Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack
http://hunteriso.org/news-views/open-letter-to-the-student-movement/

No. 20: Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions
No. 21: Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and motion pictures
http://news.cnet.com/2100-1025_3-6166528.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-5&subj=news


No. 27: Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion (Green worship, Climate worship, Social Justice worship)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/03/11/a-new-era-partnerships-advisory-council-faith-based-and-neighborhood-partnerships-pr

No. 28: Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state"
http://www.adl.org/religion_ps_2004/prayer.asp
http://www.examiner.com/x-44909-Denver-Christianity-Examiner~y2010m4d16-US-District-Court-National-Day-of-Prayer-unconstitutional

No. 29: Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-jesse-jackson-jr/building-a-new-wall-the-f_b_146606.html

No. 30: Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man"
No. 36: Infiltrate and gain control of more unions
http://www.irle.berkeley.edu/library/index.php?page=24

No. 37: Infiltrate and gain control of big business
http://www.cato.org/research/articles/cpr28n4-1.html


No. 40: Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
http://womenshistory.about.com/od/abortionuslegal/p/roe_v_wade.htm
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/index.html
 
XJEEPER, if only someone could convince Mel Gibson to reprise his roles in Mad Max and the Conspiracy Theory into one sensational mash-up flick than we might have the makings of your very own biography. If we threw in a little Monty Python into the mix than we might have something that looks like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju3h7yk4Hcg


Anywho, I'm going to forgo your boot-leg, cafeteria-style description of communism in favor of something short and genuine.
You know you're living in a communist country when:
- You're always hungry because the stores are bare;
- You're always afraid because the secret police can imprison or kill you without a second thought.

So unless that shit's happening in your neck of the woods might I suggest you spend a little less blowing stuff out of proportion, and a little more time being appreciative you live in a damn good country.
 
SleeperXJ said:
If you aren't in "my" party, your a communist.
Same old song and dance...
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Yeah I don't believe that is the case with XJeeper.

Him and I have round and rounds about the state of the country and my socialist tendencies. I don't believe we agree on much but our basic principles. Yet we need someone out there willing to stand up and say "Time out, this doesn't seem correct" and I thank XJeeper for being that lone voice on NAXJA.

So yeah I'm telling you and other posters I don't appreciate the disrespect to the guy.
 
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urban yan said:
It's one thing to say something isn't right.
It's quite another to demonize social obligations as communism than use that flawed bit of logic as a common denominator in all your debates.
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Or maybe your view of things is flawed because you were indoctrinated in a Commie country.

You know, there is THAT.

:anon:
 
urban yan said:
XJEEPER, if only someone could convince Mel Gibson to reprise his roles in Mad Max and the Conspiracy Theory into one sensational mash-up flick than we might have the makings of your very own biography. If we threw in a little Monty Python into the mix than we might have something that looks like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju3h7yk4Hcg


Anywho, I'm going to forgo your boot-leg, cafeteria-style description of communism in favor of something short and genuine.
You know you're living in a communist country when:
- You're always hungry because the stores are bare;
- You're always afraid because the secret police can imprison or kill you without a second thought.

So unless that @#!*% 's happening in your neck of the woods might I suggest you spend a little less blowing stuff out of proportion, and a little more time being appreciative you live in a @#!*% good country.
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Urban, I love Monty Python and MadMax, however I don't like Spam.

I welcome any facts that disprove the information that I share here. Please, anyone.

Short of facts, your comments are merely opinion. I'm sorry that you find it so hard to connect the dots.

If you took a time-out from poo-flinging and actually read through the info that I post here, it would become painfully obvious that many elected officials and policy shapers/influencers in this great country are focused on their mutual goal of a Communistic Utopia. They've openly stated their goals and their actions match their words.
 
urban yan said:
XJEEPER, if only someone could convince Mel Gibson to reprise his roles in Mad Max and the Conspiracy Theory into one sensational mash-up flick than we might have the makings of your very own biography. If we threw in a little Monty Python into the mix than we might have something that looks like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju3h7yk4Hcg


Anywho, I'm going to forgo your boot-leg, cafeteria-style description of communism in favor of something short and genuine.
You know you're living in a communist country when:
- You're always hungry because the stores are bare;
- You're always afraid because the secret police can imprison or kill you without a second thought.

So unless that shit's happening in your neck of the woods might I suggest you spend a little less blowing stuff out of proportion, and a little more time being appreciative you live in a damn good country.
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Communism doesn't necessarily happen overnight. Especially not in a country so used to freedom and where a military coup is highly unlikely. So while, yes, we do have it pretty good here, you'd be a fool not to keep an eye on things or to ignore the signs. Just because things are still good doesn't mean the groundwork isn't being laid, or that steps aren't being taken, liberties aren't vanishing.

What social obligations do you feel are being called communist? Read through the Constitution, the Federal gov't is given very few social obligations. Much of what we have today was an add on after the fact.
 
Darky said:
Communism doesn't necessarily happen overnight. Especially not in a country so used to freedom and where a military coup is highly unlikely. So while, yes, we do have it pretty good here, you'd be a fool not to keep an eye on things or to ignore the signs. Just because things are still good doesn't mean the groundwork isn't being laid, or that steps aren't being taken, liberties aren't vanishing.
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Sometimes Communism happens overnight, sometimes it takes a while.

For example, imagine a country with modern Europe's oldest democracy (dating back to the 15th century), a commonwealth dating back to the 1500s, Europe's oldest constitution (dating back to 1791), a center of ethnic diversity and unusual religious tolerance. Now imagine one day, at the yelta conference, Roosevelt and Churchill (leaders of their respective democracies) sign that country over to Stalin; thereby condemning that country to communist misery for 60 years.

Alternatively, imagine two other countries with extremely right-wing, corrupt, and tyrannical governments. The peasant class is massive, uneducated, and hungry. Activists and reformers gradually became more and more radical as they're persecuted and fail to make headway within the system--and eventually resorting to force, overthrowing the system. When that uneducated and hungry peasant class is faced with a system they know is abusive, they're apt to pick something as far removed as possible as an alternative -- in this case it was Communism -- the byproduct of poorly treated working class. Of coarse, in the end, they traded one form of tyranny for another, but there's a lesson to be learned from this example. Fear mongering/ radical activism often yields the opposite effect in the political arena.
 
urban yan said:
Sometimes Communism happens overnight, sometimes it takes a while.

For example, imagine a country with modern Europe's oldest democracy (dating back to the 15th century), a commonwealth dating back to the 1500s, Europe's oldest constitution (dating back to 1791), a center of ethnic diversity and unusual religious tolerance. Now imagine one day, at the yelta conference, Roosevelt and Churchill (leaders of their respective democracies) sign that country over to Stalin; thereby condemning that country to communist misery for 60 years.

Alternatively, imagine two other countries with extremely right-wing, corrupt, and tyrannical governments. The peasant class is massive, uneducated, and hungry. Activists and reformers gradually became more and more radical as they're persecuted and fail to make headway within the system--and eventually resorting to force, overthrowing the system. When that uneducated and hungry peasant class is faced with a system they know is abusive, they're apt to pick something as far removed as possible as an alternative -- in this case it was Communism -- the byproduct of poorly treated working class. Of coarse, in the end, they traded one form of tyranny for another, but there's a lesson to be learned from this example. Fear mongering/ radical activism often yields the opposite effect in the political arena.
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After posting what you did above, it's apparent that you're in agreement with the OP now. I'm curious; what finally pushed you over the edge?
 
Boatwrench said:
Yeah I don't believe that is the case with XJeeper.

Him and I have round and rounds about the state of the country and my socialist tendencies. I don't believe we agree on much but our basic principles. Yet we need someone out there willing to stand up and say "Time out, this doesn't seem correct" and I thank XJeeper for being that lone voice on NAXJA.

So yeah I'm telling you and other posters I don't appreciate the disrespect to the guy.
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I agree.

I take everything I read here with a grain of salt, especially stuff on sites like "discoverthenetworks" and "informationclearinghouse" and sites that in general seem a little loopy, but I try to keep an open mind. I do think that the word socialism is being somewhat overused, when you use a word that much and apply it to anything, it loses some of its strength and meaning, but it's important to keep your eyes open and think for yourself...

urban yan said:
Sometimes Communism happens overnight, sometimes it takes a while.

For example, imagine a country with modern Europe's oldest democracy (dating back to the 15th century), a commonwealth dating back to the 1500s, Europe's oldest constitution (dating back to 1791), a center of ethnic diversity and unusual religious tolerance. Now imagine one day, at the yelta conference, Roosevelt and Churchill (leaders of their respective democracies) sign that country over to Stalin; thereby condemning that country to communist misery for 60 years.

Alternatively, imagine two other countries with extremely right-wing, corrupt, and tyrannical governments. The peasant class is massive, uneducated, and hungry. Activists and reformers gradually became more and more radical as they're persecuted and fail to make headway within the system--and eventually resorting to force, overthrowing the system. When that uneducated and hungry peasant class is faced with a system they know is abusive, they're apt to pick something as far removed as possible as an alternative -- in this case it was Communism -- the byproduct of poorly treated working class. Of coarse, in the end, they traded one form of tyranny for another, but there's a lesson to be learned from this example. Fear mongering/ radical activism often yields the opposite effect in the political arena.
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Agreed. This is probably why Obama got elected, and I think it is why he will not be reelected. I just hope we don't end up with another sleazebag like the last few presidents, a regular guy who uses common sense would be a nice change.
 
kastein said:
I agree.

I take everything I read here with a grain of salt, especially stuff on sites like "discoverthenetworks" and "informationclearinghouse" and sites that in general seem a little loopy, but I try to keep an open mind. I do think that the word socialism is being somewhat overused, when you use a word that much and apply it to anything, it loses some of its strength and meaning, but it's important to keep your eyes open and think for yourself...


Agreed. This is probably why Obama got elected, and I think it is why he will not be reelected. I just hope we don't end up with another sleazebag like the last few presidents, a regular guy who uses common sense would be a nice change.
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By all means, please keep an open mind and think for yourself. Thinking that all of our elected officials are acting in the best interest of We the People is what has gotten us into this mess.

If you don't like the use of the word Socialism, what other word would you suggest to describe the movement that is taking place in our Republic?

Perhaps a more accurate word would be Communism, which is their stated end-goal. Socialism is simply a way to nudge our country closer to Communism.

“The goal is the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a
classless world: world communism.
Winning state power in the US will occur as a result of the military
forces of the US overextending themselves around the world and being defeated piecemeal;
struggle within the US will be a vital part of this process, but when the
revolution triumphs in the US it will have been made by the people of
the whole world. For socialism to be defined in national terms within
so extreme and historical an oppressor nation as this is only imperialist
national chauvinism on the part of the "movement."

Not my words, their words.

Think all the folks that voted for “Hope and Change” and “The fundamental transformation of the United States of America” would have voted the same way if they knew what this really meant?


To call it anything other than what is, seems dishonest and deceitful, yet those whose efforts are focused on this goal are calling it everything but what it really is (Social Justice, Environmental Justice, Climate Change Justice, Fiscal Justice, etc) because they know that the majority of the American people do not want Socialism/Communism.

They want to silence debate and stifle disagreement with their agenda, re-define the US Constitution, call good bad and bad good……..who do you think invented “Political Correctness”? Communist Karl Marx comes to mind, but do your own research. http://www.academia.org/the-origins-of-political-correctness/

I'm all in for the "regular guy" for President. One with business savvy and who upholds US Constitutional Principles and Values.

:patriot:
 
urban yan said:
Sometimes Communism happens overnight, sometimes it takes a while.

For example, imagine a country with modern Europe's oldest democracy (dating back to the 15th century), a commonwealth dating back to the 1500s, Europe's oldest constitution (dating back to 1791), a center of ethnic diversity and unusual religious tolerance. Now imagine one day, at the yelta conference, Roosevelt and Churchill (leaders of their respective democracies) sign that country over to Stalin; thereby condemning that country to communist misery for 60 years.

Alternatively, imagine two other countries with extremely right-wing, corrupt, and tyrannical governments. The peasant class is massive, uneducated, and hungry. Activists and reformers gradually became more and more radical as they're persecuted and fail to make headway within the system--and eventually resorting to force, overthrowing the system. When that uneducated and hungry peasant class is faced with a system they know is abusive, they're apt to pick something as far removed as possible as an alternative -- in this case it was Communism -- the byproduct of poorly treated working class. Of coarse, in the end, they traded one form of tyranny for another, but there's a lesson to be learned from this example. Fear mongering/ radical activism often yields the opposite effect in the political arena.
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Ok, now imagine the large country that is not in any position to be sold out for peace. There is no Communist nation large enough to take over this country, so what does one do if looking to enact a Communist or similar style of government? You take baby steps. You inch the country towards it one step at a time while telling the people (who have the power to stop you by the very design of the nation) that it's for their own good or that of the whole world. You hit the button for white guilt by saying these steps will be helping the poor disadvantaged minority kids in the inner city, etc etc.

I'm not saying we're definitely looking to turn into "Mah-ther Rah-ssia" here, but we're moving in a direction I don't like. And I'm one of those disadvantaged minorities with disadvantaged minority kids. We just live in the middle of nowhere instead the inner city. More like the inner desert...:D
 
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